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Spin Zone / Re: mandatory vaccine? and will you get vaccinated?
« on: August 31, 2020, 02:14:26 PM »
I guess I need to sign up for some more abuse..................



,,,,,,,,,,,,, , not even reprobates like you guys.

While the body of your post was thoughtful commentary that actually adds value to the conversation, you could have left out the above.

 If you can continue on that path, there's hope.

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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR2-muRM3tB3uBdbTrmKwH1NdaBx6PpZo2kxotNwkUXlnbZXCwSRP2OmqsI

 So if you read this, now we are being told that the number of Covid only deaths (no Comorbidities) is at 6%.

SIX PERCENT   Six percent of those who died.   We destroyed the economy, destroyed businesses and livelyhoods, and killed more healthy people that this "pandemic" actually killed.

 And the panic porn still continues.

 We've been had.

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Spin Zone / Re: To all my right-leaning friends...
« on: August 29, 2020, 11:04:23 AM »
Saw this on another forum.    Very insightful.

We have become a nation that has lost its collective mind !



-If a dude pretends to be a woman, you are required to pretend with him.


-Somehow it's un-American for the census to count how many Americans are in America .


-Russians influencing our elections are bad, but illegals voting in our elections are good.


-It was cool for Joe Biden to "blackmail" the President of Ukraine, but it's an impeachable offense if Donald Trump inquires about it.


-Twenty is too young to drink a beer, but eighteen is old enough to vote.


-People who have never owned slaves should pay slavery reparations to people who have never been slaves.


-Inflammatory rhetoric is outrageous, but harassing people in restaurants is virtuous.


-People who have never been to college should pay the debts of college students who took out huge loans for their degrees.


-Immigrants with tuberculosis and polio are welcome, but you'd better be able to prove your dog is vaccinated.


-Irish doctors and German engineers who want to immigrate must go through a rigorous vetting process, but any illiterate gang-bangers who jump the southern fence are welcome.


-$5 billion for border security is too expensive, but $1.5 trillion for free health care is not.


-If you cheat to get into college you go to prison, but if you cheat to get into the country you go to college for free.


-People who say there is no such thing as gender are demanding a female President.


-We see other countries going Socialist and collapsing, but it seems like a great plan to us.


-Some people are held responsible for things that happened before they were born, and other people are not held responsible for what they are doing right now.


-Criminals are catch-and-released to hurt more people, but stopping them is bad because it's a violation of THEIR rights.


And pointing out all this hypocrisy somehow makes us "racists" ?!

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Spin Zone / Re: To all my right-leaning friends...
« on: August 28, 2020, 11:23:54 AM »
 When this first posted it was obvious that the perfessor had once again plagiarized someone and wanted credit for something he is incapable of writing himself.  But he obviously agrees with the context, so I took the time to answer.

 If Michael had any integrity he would defend his position with a thoughtful rebuttal, but I won't kid myself.


They say we want to disband police departments (and that we hate the police): we don’t, that’s a lie. We want to weed out racism and unnecessary police brutality and for those who abuse their power to be held accountable.

So have you bothered to research the actual numbers?   White people are killed by police more often than black.  Fact.

Unnecessary brutality?  Ever walked in the shoes of a LEO?  They must make split second decisions that could result in their own deaths.  What you call "brutality" is often self defense.

So you don't hate the police?  Really?    https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/08/23/blm-crowd-beats-police-pig-pinata-during-one-of-many-anti-cop-rallies-revving-up-across-america-963473

https://www.amren.com/news/2020/07/blm-anti-police-hate-fest-comes-to-small-town-america/

 BTW, you say you want to "weed out racism" in the police.  Exactly how does defunding the police do that?

They say we want to release all prisoners: we don’t, that’s a lie. We want to weed out racism and ensure the punishments match the crimes and to deprivatize prisons. 

 Lie? Look at the major democrat controlled states and cities that purged their prisons recently.  Listen to the democrat governors and mayors, listen to the DA's that are funded by Soros.  Are you calling them liars?


They say we want open borders: we don’t, that’s a lie.  We want asylum seekers to be given their chance to seek asylum.  We want to help people who are coming from unimaginable terror and poverty help to give them the chances we have.   We want to ensure children aren’t separated from their parents and that nobody is kept in cages.  But we do want proper vetting.

 Lie?  Ever read the DNC National Platform?   Ever listen to Joe Biden?  Kamala Harris?  Nancy Pelosi?  Chuck Schumer?  AOC?  BHO?

 Americans are are for immigrants and giving them a chance.  Our country was built on that.  But we want them to obey our laws.  Have you figured out the difference between an illegal alien and a resident?  The person that seeks residency has obeyed our laws and sought to enter our country.  The illegal has broken our laws, entered and demanded we give them more rights than what's afforded out citizens.  By the way, those laws were written by congress, the same congress that refuses to update those laws.  The same Democrat representatives and senators that refuse to take up immigration reform.

 "Proper vetting" is done by following the law.

 Oh, and those "cages"?   Care to guess who built them and used them throughout his administration?   His VP is now running for President.


They say we want to take away your guns: we don’t, that’s a lie.  We want logical gun control to help prevent mass shootings.

 Lie?  How many direct quotes and videos do you want me to post coming from Democrats telling us their plans for gun confiscation? It will fill several pages.

 I'm sorry, but you don't care a bit about shootings and I can prove it.   Look at the escalating murder rate in Chicago, New York and DC as an example.  Some of the strictest gun laws in the country.   Yet week after week the bodies pile up.  Bodies not only of adults but children.  Yet your MSM will not report on it, because it does not fit the narrative.   That violence has a common thread, it's called "black on black" crime.   But to you that doesn't exist.   You only want to focus on the rare occasion a white kills a black, then you want to martyr the black man.

They say we want to wage a war on Christianity and Christian values: we don’t, that’s a lie.  We want people of all religions to be able to practice and worship freely.

I'll let this speak for itself:  https://www.foxnews.com/us/church-fire-florida-california-statue-burned-police-investigation

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/churches-and-statues-vandalized-burnt-attacked-across-us-over-weekend

https://www.newsmax.com/us/catholic-church-arson-burned/2020/07/13/id/976972/

https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2020/05/21/mississippi-church-that-refused-to-closed-burned-down-by-arsonist-who-leaves-message/

 
They say we want to get everything for free: we don’t, that’s a lie.  We want to work hard and make sure that healthcare and education are affordable for all.

 Read the DNC Platform?  Have you listened to Joe Biden? Kamala Harris?  Nancy Pelosi?  Chuck Schumer?

 
They say we want a war against traditional marriage:  we don’t, that’s a lie.  We want people of all sexual orientations to be able to love freely, no matter who you love.

No one has a problem with sexual orientation.  But what people do have a problem with is the left's desire to mandate sexual orientation as a protected class and offer them rights and privileges not afforded to others.   That's simply wrong.


They say we want to destroy or rewrite history: we don’t, that’s a lie.  We want to recognize the ugly parts of our past and do everything we can to say “that’s not okay, let’s not honor those aggressors, let’s not let those things happen again”.

 All sides of history are important. We learn from our past.  When you start erasing the parts of history you disagree, you are inviting to see it repeat.   And to disagree with history, one must know history.   Too many in the left know very little of history.

 Take the riots on destroying statues of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founders.  These men risked everything, including their own lives to give you a country in which you prosper today.

 How about a little more history.  Which party was for the abolish of slavery?  Which party was for giving former slaves citizenship?  Which party was for giving former slaves the right to vote?  Which party was for giving women the right to vote?  Which party was for civil rights?   Which party saw electing the first black representatives?

 Now I ask you this?  Which party pushed for secession of the states from the union to preserve slavery?  Which party fought against freeing the slaves?  Which party fought against giving former slaves citizenship?  Which party fought against giving blacks the right to vote?  Which party fought against giving women the right to vote?  Which party implemented the Jim Crow laws?  Which party started and funded the Ku Klux Klan?  Which party fought against civil rights?


They say we want to take away your constitutional rights: we don’t, that’s a lie.  We choose to believe science and wear masks and try to prevent the spread of this disease.

Yet, you refuse to listen to acclaimed doctors and professionals who disagree with the science you claim is "settled".  Science is about disagreement.  Science has never been about "only your opinion is right".

 Even the CDC recently has stated, once again, mask do little if anything to stop the spread.  Top scientist and doctors have backed that up.   Top researchers and doctors have also stated a readily available drug, used for decades and proven safe if used in recommended dosages, will keep people at risk from getting sick.  Yet you and your party loyals, and the MSM fight religiously to stop people from using it.


They say we hate America:  we don’t, that’s a lie. We just recognize our faults and want us to do better, be better.

Stop with the us vs. them. 
Stop with the straw man arguments. 
Stop with the fake news. 
Stop with fox news. 

Our position is one of empathy, compassion and logic.  Stop believing the hype. Stop with the division.   

Just because we want equality for all doesn’t mean we want to take anything away from you.

 Your actions speak louder than words. Watching your party burn flags, deface public buildings, burn down private businesses and terrorize people for no reason shouts hatred.  Watching your rioters loot businesses for fun, and destroy those things so many have worked their whole lives to build speaks volumes of your hate.

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Spin Zone / Re: Fuck Kenosha PD
« on: August 28, 2020, 06:01:02 AM »

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Spin Zone / Re: Governor of Texas: "Fire That Teacher"
« on: August 25, 2020, 09:45:17 AM »
Abbott is a RINO.

 While I agree what the teacher did is wrong, I also realize Abbott is doing damage control trying to regain himself as a conservative governor.   He has failed in Texas by allowing the radical democrats to seize control and force him into appeasement, which as we all know never works.

 Abbott is on his way to being a one term governor.

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Spin Zone / Re: Election Chaos
« on: August 23, 2020, 02:41:22 PM »
It would seem that if the SOS of each state could certify the results for their Representatives and Senators (Federal level) they could also certify the results for President and Vice President.  So if a new President and Vice President could not be selected neither could the Congress Critters.  Am I missing something here?

I do agree this will be the MOST fucked up election up until now.  We have been working towards this for some years now in my opinion.

Think about it.  If they can’t (each state) certify the representatives, then it goes to either the governor or legislature to appoint someone.   Gee, how convenient, especially in a Democrat controlled state. 

 We are about to witness history, in a bad way.

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Spin Zone / Election Chaos
« on: August 23, 2020, 07:22:17 AM »
We are just over 2 months from the election.  In many areas early voting will begin in about 6 weeks.

So what lies ahead?  The progressive liberals have hammered a fake impeachment, followed by their scamdemic, followed by their ANTIFA and BLM riots, all while destroying the various cities and states which they preside over.

 The next play coming is election chaos.   Several states are now going with mail in voting (not to be confused with absentee voting).  In this grand plan ballots will be mailed to everyone on the voter registration roles of that state.   So official ballots will flood the post office outbound and inbound. 

 Expect several states to reduce polling places because of "the pandemic" and implement strict poll procedures, such as "social distancing" and a wipe down of the polling booth after each use.  This will create very long lines and make the process even more tedious and, hopefully (by the dims) discourage voters.

 On election night don't plan on seeing a winner.  Nope, too many votes mailed in, and will take days, if not weeks, to tabulate.  Expect to see lawfare put into place.  Lawsuits demanding to count votes arriving late, etc.

 Which takes us to the next plan.  On December 18th each state should have it's SOS certify the election results, which in turn determines who the electors will be to the electoral college.   Plan on several states missing that deadline.

 Why?  Simple.  Without several states making the deadline, and unable to select electors, this will create a problem in the electoral college that meets January 6th.   One candidate will have to acquire 270 votes to become President.   If that is not reached, the constitution then moves the election to congress to select the next President and Vice President.

 The constitution says the House (the new congress just voted in) will select the President by voting by state delegations (1 vote per state).   The senate will vote on the vice President (newly elected senate).

 See where this is going?   With many states in election chaos, selecting and seating representatives and senators will be in turmoil, and make have to go to their respective governors and legislatures.   This also will remove the votes of the American people and place them squarely in the establishment class of government.

 So now several scenarios play out.  If the democrats keep congress, then Biden will be selected President, if they take the senate, then Harris will be selected VP.

 But what if by chance the republicans take the house?  Figure the RINO establishment types in the equation, but for sake of argument let's say they select Trump.   Now the democrats will have the argument that yes, once again, Trump is an illegitimate President.

 Go a bit further, let's say congress goes republican and the senate goes democrat (or even republican, but by only 2 seats).  At that point we could realistically see Trump as President and Harris as Vice President.

 How long do you think it will take to see the democrats attempting to remove Trump, once again?

 This is what we have coming folks.   


 Disclaimer*   I haven't verified dates.  But the premise of how the constitution will address this is correct.

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Spin Zone / A Tyranny of Testing
« on: August 17, 2020, 12:42:29 PM »
https://www.redstate.com/kiradavis/2020/08/17/899307/

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Every day we get more reports of positive COVID tests and COVID “clusters.” The reporting from corporate media and elected officials is often accompanied by breathless admonitions to “wear a mask” and “stay home, save lives.” Political leaders point to alarming graphs with COVID-positive red lines trending up, up, up. They use those red lines to tell us why they continue to keep vital businesses and social activities closed and why our governors maintain a vice-like grip on the one man/woman rule that comes with emergency powers. Every hysterical report from the corporate media is the same – testing is increasing and COVID cases are increasing.
But lately I’ve been asking myself…so what?
The American journalist community seems to have done away altogether with questions about this virus and our reaction to it. The American political community seems to have taken advantage of that fact as they continue to thwart our republican system in the name of “safety.” Every report of increased COVID cases or a COVID outbreak in sports or at a school begins with alarm and ends with scolding.
“See! If everyone everywhere had only worn a mask and stayed home there would be no COVID outbreaks like this.”
We’re not supposed to think about what’s missing here.
And what’s missing is information and context.
COVID has somewhere between a 98.2% and 98.6% survivability rate. If you remove the medically vulnerable from the equation it’s nearly 100%. If COVID had the fatality track record of the various incarnations of the flu or heart disease then that might be cause for alarm as cases rise. That would put us in need of the situation we were originally told we were all entering into – 15 days to slow the spread, 30 days to bend the curve. Those are numbers that certainly would have overwhelmed hospitals all across the nation, given the complicated treatments for this virus.
However, that isn’t what happened. The field hospitals both federal and local governments scrambled to set up to accommodate COVID surges have since been dismantled. Hospital ships have since been redeployed. Some hospitals have seen ICUs approaching capacity (particularly in areas with a large vulnerable population) but most ICUs in the country remain relatively stable. The loss of life is real, and also it is nowhere near the 3-5 million lives lost we were threatened with in the beginning of all this.
So what is the point of continued testing? Positive COVID cases go up, but the fatality rate is only improving.  That scary red line is only ever going to go up according to the very basic rules of addition. What we need to know is what it means for that line to go up.
By my estimations, at this point it means exactly nothing.
A breathless report on an outbreak is absolutely meaningless unless we know the results of that outbreak, but every corporate media story only ever stops at scolding. There’s not context, ever. How many people who tested positive actually got sick? How many even knew they’d been exposed? How many ended up in the hospital or on medication? How many succumbed and how many recovered? Did the fatality rate rise after the cluster was discovered? Did it drop? Does it matter?
Of course we can see quite plainly that it does not matter to the easily frightened and those who read headlines but not information. What seems to matter is control, and most likely the election.
When the Obama administration was dealing (or not dealing) with H1N1 there was nary a peep about it in the media. We lost a lot of lives to that flu and apparently it was an international emergency, but with a media that had turned into stenographers for eight straight years most of us didn’t even know it was happening. In fact, there is increasing evidence to show that COVID itself has been on our shores since at least December of last year, if not earlier. We were all living with it and yet life continued as usual. It was a bad flu season, unremarkable in the way that such things thankfully become when you live in an advanced, successful society.  It wasn’t until we were told we should be scared to death that we indeed become scared to death…of everything.
Do you even know what happened to all those workers who tested positive at a meat-packing plant in South Dakota? Do you know anything about how many of them survived, succumbed or never became sick at all?
Wholesale testing is becoming akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater. It has become dangerous to the cultural and emotional well-being of our nation. Leave it to a public school system that declares math “racist” to produce entire generations of adults who don’t understand how math works. Testing goes up, cases go up, but the danger keeps going down…and yet here we are. If testing shows nothing but how many tests were given then what is the endgame?
Corporate media doesn’t even try to pretend like there’s some kind of victory in increased testing. It does nothing to cure COVID or stop the spread of COVID. It’s a number on a graph. A number that most people will go on living with and not even notice as soon as the media stops obsessing about it.
That red line is fear, not information. It is useless. It’s time to end wholesale testing. When it comes to testing outside of individual requests we should only be testing the sick and most certainly we should not be quarantining the healthy.
The only goal of wholesale testing at this point should be to serve as a friendly warning to residents- don’t forget to wash your hands, wear a mask if you’re vulnerable and consider limiting movement and physical contact with others until you feel safe to do so.
That’s it.
What we have now is a tyranny of testing.

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Spin Zone / Re: Biden Picks Camel Toe as VP
« on: August 16, 2020, 05:19:43 AM »
Harris is a complete horror whore show.

FTFY    ;D

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https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/08/12/gop-sen-kennedy-describes-kamala-harris-as-only-he-can/

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“I think of Kamala, I would describe her as Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez but smarter and without the bartending experience,” Sen. Kennedy said.

https://twitter.com/henryrodgersdc/status/1293671968064118785

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Spin Zone / Re: What criteria to resume normal ops
« on: August 12, 2020, 05:26:41 PM »
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/hydroxychloroquine-works-in-high-risk-patients-and-saying-otherwise-is-dangerous


Hydroxychloroquine works in high-risk patients, and saying otherwise is dangerous

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As of Wednesday, some 165,000 people in the United States have died from COVID-19. I have made the case in the American Journal of Epidemiology and in Newsweek that people who have a medical need to be treated can be treated early and successfully with hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and antibiotics such as azithromycin or doxycycline. I have also argued that these drugs are safe and have made that case privately to the Food and Drug Administration.

The pushback has been furious. Dr. Anthony Fauci has implied that I am incompetent, notwithstanding my hundreds of highly regarded, methodologically relevant publications in peer-reviewed scientific literature. A group of my Yale colleagues has publicly intimated that I am a zealot who is perpetrating a dangerous hoax and conspiracy theory. I have been attacked in news articles by journalists who, ignorant of the full picture, have spun hit pieces from cherry-picked sources.

These personal attacks are a dangerous distraction from the real issue of hydroxychloroquine's effectiveness, which is solidly grounded in both substantial evidence and appropriate medical decision-making logic. Much of the evidence is presented in my articles.

To date, there are no studies whatsoever, published or in pre-print, that provide scientific evidence against the treatment approach for high-risk outpatients that I have described. None. Assertions to the contrary, whether by Fauci, the FDA, or anyone else, are without foundation. They constitute misleading and toxic disinformation.


What do you need to know to evaluate these smears against hydroxychloroquine? The first thing to understand is that COVID-19 has two main stages. At the first stage, it is a flu-like illness. That illness will not kill you. If you are a high-risk patient and begin treatment immediately, you will almost certainly be done with it in a few days. When not treated, high-risk patients may progress. The virus then causes severe pneumonia and attacks many organs, including the heart. In this second stage, hydroxychloroquine is not effective.

So, if you are told that hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work, ask this question: In which patients? Does it not work in those who have just started to have symptoms, or those sick enough to require hospitalization?

The second thing to know is that most low-risk patients survive without treatment. Low risk means you are under age 60 and have no chronic conditions such as diabetes, obesity, and hypertension, have no past treatment for cancer, are not immunocompromised, etc. High risk means you are over 60 or you have one or more of those chronic conditions. High-risk patients need immediate treatment when they first show symptoms. One should not wait for the COVID-19 test result, which can take days and can be wrong. Again, when Fauci and others say that randomized controlled trials show no benefit for hydroxychloroquine, you must ask: In which group of patients?

Every randomized controlled trial to date that has looked at early outpatient treatment has involved low-risk patients, patients who are not generally treated. In these studies, so few untreated control patients have required hospitalization that significant differences were not found. There has been only one exception: In a study done in Spain with low-risk patients, a small number of high-risk nursing home patients were included. For those patients, the medications cut the risk of a bad outcome in half.

I reiterate: If doctors, including any of my Yale colleagues, tell you that scientific data show that hydroxychloroquine does not work in outpatients, they are revealing that they can’t tell the difference between low-risk patients who are not generally treated and high-risk patients who need to be treated as quickly as possible. Doctors who do not understand this difference should not be treating COVID-19 patients.

What about medication safety? On July 1, the FDA posted a “black-letter warning” cautioning against using hydroxychloroquine “outside of the hospital setting,” meaning in outpatients. But on its website just below this warning, the FDA stated that the warning was based on data from hospitalized patients. To generalize and compare severely ill patients with COVID-induced pneumonia and possibly heart problems to outpatients is entirely improper.

In fact, the FDA has no information about adverse events in early outpatient use of hydroxychloroquine. The only available systematic information about adverse events among outpatients is discussed in my article in the American Journal of Epidemiology, where I show that hydroxychloroquine has been extremely safe in more than a million users.

It is a serious and unconscionable mistake that the FDA has used inpatient data to block emergency use petitions for outpatient use. Further, already back in March, the FDA approved the emergency use of hydroxychloroquine for hospitalized patients, for whom it is demonstrably less effective than for outpatients. If hydroxychloroquine satisfied the FDA criteria for emergency inpatient use in March, it should more than satisfy those criteria now for outpatient use, where the evidence is much stronger.

I can only speculate about the cause of the FDA’s recalcitrance. Hydroxychloroquine is an inexpensive, generic medication. Unlike certain profit-generating, patented medications, which have been promiscuously touted on the slimmest of evidence, hydroxychloroquine has no natural financial constituency. No one will get rich from it.

Further, it seems quite possible that the FDA, a third of whose funding comes from drug companies, is under intense pressure from those companies to be extremely conservative in its handling of hydroxychloroquine. If hydroxychloroquine is used widely and comes to be recognized as highly effective, the markets for expensive and patented COVID-19 medications, including intravenous drugs that can only be used in the hospital, will shrink substantially.

Whatever the reason for the FDA’s stonewalling on hydroxychloroquine, this much is certain: Americans are dying unnecessarily, the economy is in disarray, and the threads that bind our society together have frayed. I am speaking out, but where is everyone else? Where are our elected officials, including those who are themselves physicians? Some, including Rep. Andy Biggs of Arizona, have been discussing evidence of the drug's effectiveness, but where are the rest?

This issue should not be a partisan one. If our elected officials are not willing to pry open the FDA, we must elect new officials. Why are we silent? The time to speak is now.

Harvey Risch, M.D., Ph.D., is a professor of epidemiology at Yale School of Public Health.

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Spin Zone / Re: Did You Hear There Is Covid Out There?
« on: August 12, 2020, 03:44:23 PM »
Plenty of covidiots over on PoA.  Maybe you should make a video for them?

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Spin Zone / Re: Joke Thread: Post 'em if ya got 'em
« on: August 12, 2020, 11:32:10 AM »

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Spin Zone / Re: Biden Picks Camel Toe as VP
« on: August 11, 2020, 01:50:58 PM »
Yeah, but has she accepted?  I thought Willie told her not too. Hasn't she taken order from Willie before. :)


Vote Pedo Joe/Willie Brown’s Ho 2020.

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