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Yeah - 'a rising tide floats all boats'. Nice theory, but it doesn't happen in reality - under either democratic or republican rule:


If you took all the money from the top 20% and split it up evenly among the bottom 80%, in a short period of time, the graph would be back to where it is today. 

You can't legislate fairness.  Some people are going to succeed.  Some people are going to get by and some people are going to fail.  That's life.

As Neil Bortz said:
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The rich get richer, and the poor get poorer,
because the rich keep doing what makes them rich,
and the poor keep doing what makes them poor.

Perhaps all the "social programs" that we have for the poor de-motivates them from getting ahead and "losing their benefits".

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Spin Zone / Re: Mother . . .
« on: April 20, 2017, 02:14:08 PM »
How is wanting to know a strategy behind fighting a war now suddenly a weed-smokers issue?

Did he want to know Obama's strategy for fighting wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and G*d knows where else?  What was the purpose again?  To get Americans killed?  Now that Trump, a Republican, is President all of a sudden the media, and progressives want to count every missile, and every body.  How many "drone" strikes did Obama approve.  It is easy when some guy is sitting in the basement bunker of some mountain outside of Colorado Springs to kill a few camels, and suspected "terrorists".  What did that accomplish?

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Not exactly afraid. Were we afraid of Russia in the cold war? I don't believe we were, but we still had to treat them with kid gloves.

It wasn't Russia back then, it was the Union of Soviets Socialist Republic. (Loser socialist/communist regimes screwing everything up as they always do).    And yes, people were afraid during the cold war.  And the progressive nutjobs went bonkers when Reagan announced peace through strength, deployed the "peacekeeper" missile and announced the SDI initiative, it was a beautiful thing.  Ted Kennedy had one of his many treasonous  bizarre moments when he asked the Soviets to "unseat" Reagan for fear he would start WW3.  Of course, turns out Reagan skillfully handled the Soviets leading to the commies ceding control and the end of the cold war.

It's reminiscent of what Trump is doing now.

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Spin Zone / Re: Would you support overturning Roe-v-Wade?
« on: April 19, 2017, 04:46:31 PM »
Here's the right-wing problem with the abortion argument. The far most common pro-lifer view is that abortion should be outlawed: "Except in the case of rape or incest".

So are you saying that rape & incest is worse than murder? Thereby justifying committing murder as a result? Or are you saying that abortion isn't murder?

Maybe you are indeed one of the few people who DO say that abortion should be banned in ALL cases. Then you need to look at me with a straight face and say that if you're 10-year old daughter was raped, that you will force her to carry that baby to turn.

Close your eyes and imagine a 250lbs sweaty black man holding a knife to your 10 year old daughters throat, pulling down her panties and thrusting himself into her over and over again. She resists and he hits her with the back of the knife, shattering her cheek and jaw-bone. She barely survives. And your response will be to tell her that she now has to carry that baby to term.

If you can say that, and honestly believe that in your heart, you have the moral high ground.

If not, your argument is invalid.

Your premises are bullshit, I reject all of them.     

 Instead let's start with a premise that is reality, and  that is abortion is the killing of a unique human life, which is therefore murder.  Now justify abortion from that premise.

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Nice conversation, but it has nothing to do with socialism.

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Spin Zone / Re: Georgia 6th District
« on: April 19, 2017, 02:27:23 PM »
This statement seems to imply that Trump has done something to you or others. What was it?
He hurt their feelings.

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Spin Zone / Re: Georgia 6th District
« on: April 19, 2017, 01:51:45 PM »
Ok, go ahead, tell me how you are personally worse off on January 2017 as compared to January 2009.

Are you earning less money? Are you paying a higher % of your salary in federal taxes? What exactly did he do to you?
What about the states that saw skyrocketing premiums, like Arizona (116%)? Some people are earning less money and some people would rather pay the "tax" for not having healthcare than have to spend the ridiculous amount it takes to get basic, terrible coverage.

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You can't expect Trump to marry 326 million people.

Well, minus 1.
This statement seems to imply that Trump has done something to you or others. What was it?

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Spin Zone / Re: Georgia 6th District
« on: April 19, 2017, 01:49:42 PM »
Ok, go ahead, tell me how you are personally worse off on January 2017 as compared to January 2009.

Are you earning less money? Are you paying a higher % of your salary in federal taxes? What exactly did he do to you?

Personally, I am paying MUCH higher health insurance costs, and much higher out of pocket healthcare costs.  This affects my net disposable income for other essentials.  In addition, the Obama Admin helped create an anti-business, anti-energy, higher regulatory, higher tax environment that has also helped reduce my net disposable income. 

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Spin Zone / Re: Would you support overturning Roe-v-Wade?
« on: April 19, 2017, 12:27:17 PM »


Close your eyes and imagine a 250lbs sweaty black man holding a knife to your 10 year old daughters throat, pulling down her panties and thrusting himself into her over and over again. She resists and he hits her with the back of the knife, shattering her cheek and jaw-bone. She barely survives. And your response will be to tell her that she now has to carry that baby to term.


Always the corner case with you people.

Beyond that, you disturb me.

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Provide them with enough resources to not force them into a life of crime, and opportunities for those who are able to become productive members of society to do so.

This has nothing to do with being altruistic or charitable, but acknowledging the fact that there are people who just has nothing to offer to society. Whether they are born incapable, rendered incapable, lazy or otherwise unmotivated, or have skills that are simply obsolete.

We've always had a society where there are individuals who do not contribute. We're always going to have that. We can chose to deal with them as criminals if we want, and confine them to prison or forced labor... but that costs the same as just supplying basic resources outright in the first place. If that even worked I would be all for it. But it doesn't.

In the end I just want to be left alone to live my life in peace. I don't want to be surrounded by people who have basic needs but not means - because that impacts my safety, and frankly my lifestyle. If that implies paying another 5% in taxes, then so be it. I'm either going to write them a check, or I'm going to write a check to someone else to protect me against them. But either way, they're not going to go away.
This is the biggest canard of all time. There are places around this country with more severe poverty than you will ever see in some inner cities.  Yet they aren't riddled with people committed to a life of crime. Look at rural Appalachia, Mississippi, and elsewhere.

So what "resources" do the poor need that they don't have today so as to prevent them from becoming habitual criminals?  More Obama phones?  More TVs?  More air conditioning?  Relax the food stamp rules so they can buy booze? 

Your line of thinking is precisely why we are $20 trillion in debt, with no end in site to deficit spending so that politicians can say "Look, we did something. Now give me your vote."

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Spin Zone / Re: Colorado cuts teen births and abortion rates in half
« on: April 17, 2017, 07:22:06 AM »
I am somewhat surprised we haven't seen a coup, or uprising in Venezuela yet as things are very bad there.  Of course our media doesn't report so much on the failure of communism in places like Venezuela, and Cuba.  The Hollywood, and media types are too busy idolizing Che Guevera, Castro, and Chavez.  If their murderous, corrupt practices, and ideology was put on display, their little Utopian Bubble would be burst. 

If these places were such utopias of Rainbows, and Unicorns why do so many people want to get out?
The LA Times had an article yesterday discussing the Venezuelan opposition leader:

http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-venezuela-capriles-2017-story.html

Venezuela has the opportunity to be prosperous and self-sustaining with all of their oil and potential for tourism. This is what a true socialist government looks like.

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I paid over $100'000 in federal taxes this year.

I also paid $75k to date for a war that I did not want anything to do with, and apparently I owe another $150k on it.

Pardon my skepticism, but . . .
 ::)

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I paid over $100'000 in federal taxes this year.

I also paid $75k to date for a war that I did not want anything to do with, and apparently I owe another $150k on it.

Why do I have to pay for your agenda, when you don't have to pay for mine? Here's a thought - give me my war money back and I'll donate 50% of that to the charity of your choice.

Strawman, stay on topic.    If you truly paid $100,000 in fed taxes, first welcome to the club, second, my proposal is well within your capabilities, another 40% is easier for you than for most.  It's your idea, pay for it, show the world you are serious.  And rather than trying to force the rest of us, who think your idea is crap, to pay for it, get your progressive buddies to pay up too.

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I paid over $100'000 in federal taxes this year.

I also paid $75k to date for a war that I did not want anything to do with, and apparently I owe another $150k on it.

Why do I have to pay for your agenda, when you don't have to pay for mine? Here's a thought - give me my war money back and I'll donate 50% of that to the charity of your choice.

Our Constitution calls for national defense, not a lot for "your agenda".  You can make an argument that the wars Obama continued, or started are not necessary for defense.  I will agree that a lot of the war on drugs, and war on terror is an excuse to grow government, and raise taxes on working people.  Try to roll back the Bush, and Democrats' Dept of Homeland Security, and other unnecessary crap, and see how both parties howl that we are making the country unsafe.   

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To answer  the question in your title, it is not ok and enough is enough.  Time for us to continually practice our 2nd amendment rights by concealed carry. 

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