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Spin Zone / Re: Why I’m not getting the vaccine
« on: August 24, 2021, 09:12:53 AM »
Right on cue Mikey spouted the Democrat talking point about Ivermectin being a horse dewormer. That is exactly what the FDA is pushing for propaganda.

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Spin Zone / Re: Why I’m not getting the vaccine
« on: August 24, 2021, 08:35:13 AM »
Get the fucking shot!  It's safe (the FDA just approved it, for those of you who give a shit)
Whoop de fucking doo.  The FDA never approved something that proved to be harmful, let alone fatal?

Not arguing against getting the shot if you want one.  Just that you fell into the "appeal to authority" logical fallacy: Insisting that a claim is true simply because a valid authority or expert on the issue said it was true, without any other supporting evidence offered.

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Spin Zone / Australia has fallen to the CCP
« on: August 24, 2021, 06:19:46 AM »
At this point it's pretty much over for the citizens of Australia.

It's been no secret the CCP lust to gain control of Australia for it's resources.  The CCP has been steadily infiltrating much of the government, the media and the academic foundations of the country.   The recent lockdowns in which people are demanded to remain locked in their homes, and people outside who are caught without papers, the street beatings by police, heavy fines and even prison show just how far gone the country is.

 And no one to help them.  It won't be much longer until all of Southeast Asia falls to the control of the CCP.  Taiwan will be next.   South Korea and Japan are targets as well.

 Xi and the CCP knew putting in an incompetent buffoon such as Biden, and paying off congressional members and governors would open them up to massive global expansion.

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Spin Zone / Re: Phizer gains FDA Approval
« on: August 24, 2021, 05:28:25 AM »
It’s like all other private business. Like the cake baker and gay weddings. They should be free to associate or not with whomever they want.

BUT!  The healthcare industry, like others, is corporatizing way too much. No longer do you have 3 or 4 independent doctors to choose from in your small town or an alternative to go to if one refuses you. Doctors are being bought up by large practices and centralizing in big cities. This is being driven in part by government policy of course, as it always is, such as Medicare, and a sue happy public, tax structure, and everything else that’s destroying all small businesses.

Just like mom and pop stores have been replaced by Walmart. If mom and pop don’t want you in their store because you’re not vaccinated they should be free to refuse you. Not so for Walmart that killed all the mom and pop stores and now is the only place you can buy food!

Same for doctors. Right to refuse works when there is competition. When you create conditions of no competition and try to refuse service, this gives rise to discontent and breakdown of society leading to even more government control which probably ends with nationalization of the healthcare industry.

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Spin Zone / Re: Why I’m not getting the vaccine
« on: August 24, 2021, 02:30:42 AM »
Scared old men can go sit in the tee pee with the women.  The rest of us will go out and fight.

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Spin Zone / Re: An Inconvenient Truth
« on: August 23, 2021, 04:02:11 PM »
The common cold isn't just one virus.
Then why does chicken soup work on all varieties?  A week to ten days and you're cured!

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Spin Zone / Re: An Inconvenient Truth
« on: August 23, 2021, 12:49:04 PM »
So where's the vax for the common cold?

That’s kinda exactly my point.

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Spin Zone / Re: An Inconvenient Truth
« on: August 23, 2021, 11:27:19 AM »
Polio was the first to come to mind. How about Smallpox?

Smallpox requires prolonged face to face contact. It isn’t spread through aerosol droplets like respiratory viruses.

Also polio and smallpox were both old diseases that had been with mankind a long time. There was already partial “herd” immunity through exposure to small amounts of polio in contaminated water, and to cowpox (gives immunity to smallpox). Covid19 on the other hand is a novel virus, new to our species, we have zero immunity to it, and it mutates very rapidly like the common cold. There is zero hope we can ever get rid of it through vaccination. It’s here to stay, it’s a totally different animal than polio and smallpox. More like cold and flu.

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Spin Zone / Re: An Inconvenient Truth
« on: August 23, 2021, 10:06:15 AM »
Don’t be so dense. Go study the eradication of Polio by vaccines less than 100% effective. You might stop throwing out vacuous arguments. Or not.
Also, which experts say there must 100% vaccination? I think you pulled that assertion out of your ass.

But polio is mostly transmitted through feces, only less commonly through respiratory secretions. You really can't compare polio to a primary respiratory virus. Along with polio vaccinations they upped their game immensely with sewage handling.

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Spin Zone / Re: WTF is up with the coin shortage?
« on: August 23, 2021, 07:26:28 AM »
Until bartering is made a crime.

It's not as long as you pay your tribute to the various tax authorities.

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Spin Zone / Re: Ending the Apple Merry Go Round
« on: August 23, 2021, 06:43:26 AM »
I'm really tired of Apple and their bullshit.  Their latest about scanning material sent to the cloud is just the tip of the iceberg.

Plus Apple's allegiance to the CCP is disturbing.

Agree. I don’t know a good alternative. I don’t trust Google or Microsoft one bit more. All of our digital communications are in the hands of a few giant corporations totally complicit with the federal government and contemptuous of the first and fourth amendments.

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Spin Zone / Re: Why I’m not getting the vaccine
« on: August 22, 2021, 11:00:09 AM »
When trust in government comes from your own lack of knowledge, who is at fault? 

You don't seem to understand that you cannot just pull a number out of VAERS and scream about it, you have to compare it to the expected events in the general population.  Bottom line, we expect that roughly 40,000 people who got vaccines should have died within 2 week of getting their shot.  That actual number would be lower because you don't give a vaccine to a terminal patient.

Doctors are required to report all deaths to VAERS if they occur within 2 weeks.  We've had 200,000,000 people get at least 1 shot.  12,000 deaths is a rational number and does not indicate people are dying because of the vaccine. 

There are roughly 328m people in the US and about 2.9m of us die every year.  In any given 2 week time period, we expect 111,500 people to die.  We're roughly 34 weeks through the year, so every 2 week time period, we've had about 2.1% of the population get vaccinated on average.  Of those getting vaccinated, we expect that 2.1% * 111,500 will die - 2341 per 2 week period.  2341 * 17 time periods gives the expected value of 40k.

Your logic is right but your first sentence is wrong.  I have knowledge of these numbers but that is not the reason I don't trust the government.  I don't trust them because they lied, obfuscated, and manipulated information and are getting private Big Tech firms to censor any point of view not in lock step with the approved agenda, which by the way keeps changing. Mask? No mask? Two masks? Mask if you've been vaccinated? No mask if you've been vaccinated? etc.

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Spin Zone / Re: Why I’m not getting the vaccine
« on: August 22, 2021, 09:14:59 AM »
The vaccines do work. It is statements like this that reveal you’re one of the people who got played.

There is data. But there is no data past about a year for obvious reasons. Do you get your science from reading actual data or from some media hack who want to stir things up?  Whoever has told you the vaccines don’t work has lied to you. You can decide if it was intentional or accidental.
It depends on how you define "work".  They don't keep you from getting COVID.  They do have some effectiveness in keeping it from being severe.  But even that is being questioned.
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison
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But Israel later reported the vaccine’s effectiveness to be 90% effective against severe disease, but 39% against infection in its population in late June and early July, based on an analysis of the country's national health statistics. This could suggest that it is less effective against Delta or possibly waning over time, which has added to a debate about whether booster shots may be needed and for whom. All of this is still being monitored.
But since we don't know what a "case" is and most infections are asymptomatic and most people with no symptoms don't get tested we have no idea who has it, how effective the vaccine really is, how long it lasts, how its effectiveness changes over time, how effective it is on the various varieties, whether its effectiveness changes based on demographics, general health of the person, diet, supplements, other conditions, other vaccines, and on and on.

They do work?  How do you know?  Yes, I got my two shots and a booster.  I'm doing what I believe is the right thing for me and those close to me.  But I still have VERY grave doubts about big pharma and government policymakers driving the conversation.  Is it effective?  I don't know.  Will it be effective in the future?  I don't know.  Does it cause side effects?  I don't know.  Does it cause SEVERE side effects?  I don't know.  And neither does anyone else.

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Spin Zone / Re: New Covid Surge
« on: August 22, 2021, 08:27:16 AM »
With the MEDIA and Democrats it was always about number of Cases first.  Which is meaningless.   Mortality rate was always hidden.   Number of deaths have also been inflated from the beginning.  Lying scum.

A year+ ago, it was all about the daily death count, ignoring the high probability that millions of people had been exposed and suffered none/mild symptoms, many not even knowing they "had" it, thereby "justifying" the overwrought government response.

Now, all of the major news propaganda outlets tout "cases" while ignoring
-huge number of false positives
-no demographics of the dead/very ill

and making up the "cases" from the so-called "Delta Variant" to scare the skeptics into getting the jab.



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