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Spin Zone / Re: The Charlottesville Lie
« on: August 11, 2019, 05:28:47 AM »
https://amgreatness.com/2019/08/10/white-supremacy-like-manna-to-the-left/

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Since the world has not heard enough about “white supremacy” lately, I thought I would say a few words about this neglected subject.

Please don’t turn up your nose and say “but ‘white supremacy’ is just a malignant fiction, a fantasy conjured up by the Left in order to beat up on conservatives, Trump supporters, etc.”

This is true. “White supremacy” is in this respect like “climate change”: a bugbear, a horror tale utterly without substance but scary—Oooo so scary!—nonetheless. In Through the Looking Glass, Alice scoffs when the White Queen tells her that she is more than 100 years old. “I can’t believe that!” says Alice.

    “Can’t you?” the Queen said in a pitying tone. “Try again: draw a long breath, and shut your eyes.”

    Alice laughed. “There’s no use trying,” she said: “one can’t believe impossible things.”

    “I daresay you haven’t had much practice,” said the Queen. “When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.”

The whole “white supremacy” meme is a bit like that. The number of real, honest-to-goodness, card-carrying, union-affiliated “white supremacists” is vanishingly small. They could be crowded into a middle-school gymnasium in a small town with room left over for the cheerleaders and a popcorn machine. The idea that white supremacists or the ideology of white supremacism represent a threat to American society is preposterous. Everyone knows this, the pathetic commentators on CNN and MSNBC just as much as the gesticulating clowns running for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Yet they keep screaming about “white supremacism,” hoping, I believe, that if they keep repeating the mantra, their incantation will bring the longed-for object into being.

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Back in May, PJ Media’s Sarah Hoyt put her finger on what the rallies against “white supremacism” are really all about when she noted that “We Don’t Have a Problem with White Supremacy. We Have a Problem with Leftist Supremacy.” Bingo. “The left is obsessed with white supremacists,” Hoyt observed, “the way that children are obsessed with Santa Claus, and for more or less the same reasons.” Santa doesn’t exist, but the presents pile up every December 25 because the right people have a stake in perpetuating the myth of his existence.

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Spin Zone / Re: "Red Flag" laws....That's it?
« on: August 10, 2019, 05:58:22 PM »
The problem with compromising with the progressive left is they will never let it alone. You give an inch and compromise they will demand the next thing, and then the next, and eat away at your freedoms bit by bit.

The left will never thank you for compromising. They will never give the right any credit but will only continue moving the bar. They don’t really want these little compromises, they want total disarmament of the American citizen, especially the conservative and libertarian ones.

Red flag laws will result in persecuting many more innocent people than stopping actual dangerous people. These mass shooters are so rare it’s not even worth the time we are spending on the subject. The best way to minimize harm by these sickos is to legalize and promote conceal carry everywhere so you automatically have defenders present when a shooter enters a place. This includes schools. Instead of capitulation to demands for more restrictions we should be screaming for loosening of restrictions because that is the real and logical solution.


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Nobody was more stunned by Epstein's Suicide than Epstein himself.

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Spin Zone / Re: "Red Flag" laws....That's it?
« on: August 10, 2019, 04:57:58 PM »
Maybe I'm missing something, isn't the above mentioned someone still considered innocent until they have been thru due process?

Correct.  But red flag laws remove the due process.

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Spin Zone / Re: "Red Flag" laws....That's it?
« on: August 10, 2019, 12:55:32 PM »
I agree. But there have been clear cases where someone was amassing weapons and saying that they are going to shoot up a school, or some other public place. One very sick person here was stopped by an ERPO; unfortunately, the governor then went further and signed a bill which infringes (albeit minimally) on the 2A. But that ERPO arguably prevented another school shooting.

The problem of determining who is a genuine, credible threat is always going to be a thorny one. I like the wording of the VT ERPO bill which requires "clear and convincing evidence". Such cases need to be reviewed whenever an order is issued, and if an ERPO is issued by mistake, the respondent has to have an avenue for redress of grievance. Such ex parte orders also need to be temporary, as I believe they are here.

But yeah, I agree it's a tough question. That is not a reason to dismiss the idea out of hand though.

The progressive Left wants far more drastic measures. At some point we are going to have to compromise.

Why compromise?   The left refuses to compromise on many issues. Why is it incumbent on conservatives to compromise to the lefts demands?

As far as someone who is armed and has levied threats towards a school or public venue, there are already laws in place to deal with this. 

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Spin Zone / Re: "Red Flag" laws....That's it?
« on: August 10, 2019, 12:20:09 PM »
The problem is determining who is a genuine threat. In many of these cases (mass shootings, and family annihilators too) the person has zero criminal record and no prior history of violence. We can’t be taking people’s rights, guns, and property away based on somebody’s opinion that they are acting a little weird, or even a lot weird. What yardstick do we use and where do we draw the line?

Exactly.  Everyone deserves due process.

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Spin Zone / Re: "Red Flag" laws....That's it?
« on: August 10, 2019, 11:41:33 AM »
Agreed. In VT the respondent does have an avenue to appeal the order, but it's not clear to me whether they can keep their weapons while the appeal process goes through or whether they have to surrender them until then (I suspect they have to surrender).

The due process side needs to be refined, no question about it. But the alternative is NO means of disarming someone who is a genuine threat, until they have already killed someone.

Define genuine threat, and why current laws don’t already cover this?

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Spin Zone / Re: "Red Flag" laws....That's it?
« on: August 10, 2019, 11:04:02 AM »
Part of the problem with the "Red Flag" laws is the ex parte aspect of it.  The person who is the subject of the petition doesn't have an opportunity to defend herself.

Exactly.

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Spin Zone / Re: "Red Flag" laws....That's it?
« on: August 10, 2019, 10:45:06 AM »
My observation over the last few years is that we seem to be getting away from the 'Innocent until proven guilty' to Guilty until you prove yourself innocent'.  I really do hope I'm wrong.

The progressive left keeps pushing this. And of course, for them they want “innocent until proven guilty” but everyone else shall be guilty and they shall have to prove themselves innocent. 


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Spin Zone / Re: "Red Flag" laws....That's it?
« on: August 10, 2019, 09:23:11 AM »
So, a number of states have so-called Red Flag laws which remove guns from people who are somehow deemed a threat to themselves or others.

All they do is take away the girl's firearms?  That's it?

If these people really are threats to themselves or others, why don't they take other actions?  Of course, that leads to questions about what else can they do?

I've read the Massachusetts law and that's all I could find in the law, but I'm not a lawyer, I don't play one on TV, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.  Do the "Red Flag" laws in other states provide anything meaningful?

No. 

Ask yourself this question.  What does it take to enact a “red flag” law, and why don’t other laws apply?

Our judicial rights are explicit. “Innocent until proven guilty”.  How does enacting a law to prevent “what someone may do” comply with judicial rights?

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Prison cells, especially those for people on suicide watch, just like rooms in Hospital Psych Units are designed to not have anything in which a person can use to hang themselves.  I find it hard to believe there was anything he could use, nor an attach point to use.

And on suicide watch there are cameras in the cell.    Let's see the video.   "Oh, um, gee, something happened and the video wasn't captured"..............

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Perhaps some day, they will make a prison cell that doesn’t have something high enough from which you can hang yourself. Especially for those on suicide watch.

What a fucking joke.

 I typically don't follow Ann Coulter, but she was right on this one.    https://summit.news/2019/07/25/ann-coulter-get-epstein-to-a-super-max-prison-before-he-is-suicided/

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And once again, we watch the Clintons skate away.

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Um, yea.

Nothing to see here!

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