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Spin Zone / Re: The Memo
« on: February 05, 2018, 08:59:05 AM »Those who knew what was in the memo (DoJ, FBI, members of Congress) yet wet their panties that disclosure of the memo would compromise national security, expose sources and methods, and other things that could literally get people killed, should be publicly and forcefully admonished for lying the the American people, as we now all know that nothing in the memo said any such things, and that their tantrums were solely related to preventing embarrassment of themselves or the DoJ or the FBI.
These idiots (dims, congressmen, DoJ/FBI deepstate) were all crying "national security!" after they read the memo. The FBI actually admitted that the memo was factual.
Yet after the memo came out, it changed to "It's all lies!" and "Nunes made it up, no facts, no evidence!"
McCabe will retire next month with his great government pension and no consequences. Rosenstein still sits in his position and continues his "Russia Investigation" with his pal and crony Mueller. Comey is enjoying his pension and is basically free from any investigations or indictments of the fraud and crimes he committed.
And here is another tidbit the MSM and the dims are not wanting exposed: These FISA warrants go all the way to the top. That means the AG has knowledge of them (Lynch) as well as National Security Advisors (Rice). And the President is briefed on these warrants as well (Obama).
The DNC using an investigative arm or the federal government to spy on an opposition candidate then using the DoJ in an attempt to discredit and unseat an elected President. And the DoJ/FBI being cooperative and compliant.
What have we come too?
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Spin Zone / Re: Obviously He's smarter than the rest of us
« on: February 04, 2018, 06:53:00 PM »15710
Spin Zone / Obviously He's smarter than the rest of us
« on: February 04, 2018, 06:51:02 PM »
Jimmy Kimmel: 'Almost Every Talk Show Host Is Liberal' Because 'It Requires a Certain Level of Intelligence'
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2018/02/04/jimmy-kimmel-every-talk-show-host-is-liberal-because-it-requires-a-certain-level-of-intelligence-n2444256
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2018/02/04/jimmy-kimmel-every-talk-show-host-is-liberal-because-it-requires-a-certain-level-of-intelligence-n2444256
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Spin Zone / DNC Financial Problems
« on: February 04, 2018, 01:36:46 PM »
Hey, where are those rich celebrities? Aren't they gonna chip in and help out?
And what about the Dem millionaires in the congress and senate? Aren't they gonna help?
And of course Bill and Hillary, I mean, c'mon, they could spare a few million.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/04/democratic-national-committee-fundraising-hits-wall-as-gop-sits-flush-ahead-midterm-elections.html
And what about the Dem millionaires in the congress and senate? Aren't they gonna help?
And of course Bill and Hillary, I mean, c'mon, they could spare a few million.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/04/democratic-national-committee-fundraising-hits-wall-as-gop-sits-flush-ahead-midterm-elections.html
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Spin Zone / Re: The Memo
« on: February 04, 2018, 01:15:57 PM »Why would I (or anyone else) be in favor of political spying by the FBI?? US Government surveillance of any US citizen is pretty serious stuff. The bar to do so has to be very high. That is the purpose of the FISA court. The government prepares the case and the judge then decides if it is warranted. In this particular case the judge did deem it appropriate.
That's because the officials that submitted the application made sure to omit essential data which they knew would get the application approved. In other words, they committed fraud.
None of us in the general public really has the facts as to why that happened. Could opposition research by a political party be part of that justification? That could be the case, it is up to the FISA judge to evaluate the merits.
See above. You keep skipping over that very crucial element.
What the Nunes memo implies is that the only reason the FISA warrant was issued was the Steele documents and was done soley to discredit the President. From what we do know, that doesn't appear to be the case. Other than Mr. Nunes opinion, he gives scant detail to back it up, if Mr. Nunes has true evidence, why didn't he put it in the memo?
I see your regurgitating the MSM talking points, right on cue. He has the evidence, thousands upon thousands of pages. All of those documents require the same process that the memo went through. It is believed in time all of the documents will be released (to the dismay of the democrats and DoJ)
The surveillance order was renewed multiple times, most recently by people appointed by the current administration. If there was some evidence of illegal activity by the FBI, why was it renewed?
Wow, talk about ignoring the 800 ppound gorilla in the room........
Did the FISA order have limits? Again, that isn't known, we do not know if the surveillance was limited to Page, or included any other contacts he may of had. There is no information that the FBI had the ability to listen in on everything happening in the Republican campaign.
Again, the committee has thousands of documents. Notice Schiff is not advocating those documents to be released so he can prove what was summarized in the Memo to be untrue. All the democrats want to do is claim everything is classified and will harm US security if released. In other words, he doesn't want you or anyone in the public to know the truth.
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Spin Zone / The 40 Iron Laws of Politics in America
« on: February 04, 2018, 07:46:59 AM »
So much truth here. Good read.
https://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2018/02/04/the-40-iron-laws-of-politics-in-america-n2444126
https://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2018/02/04/the-40-iron-laws-of-politics-in-america-n2444126
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Spin Zone / Re: The Memo
« on: February 03, 2018, 03:53:04 PM »I read it and was expecting much more from Nunes. Much more. Game changing stuff.
Instead, it may be the tip of the iceberg, or it may be an ice cube.
I think Trump should fire The AG, nominate Gowdy as AG, and indict that smirk right off of Comey’s face.
The dims have already told Trump if he fires anyone in the DoJ/FBI then it will be "obstruction of justice" (too bad the dims don't know what that term actually means).
The memo is the tip of the iceberg.
I do agree with you, the AG needs to go and a real AG needs to be put in and drain the swamp at the DoJ/FBI.
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Spin Zone / Re: The Memo
« on: February 03, 2018, 03:49:36 PM »James Comey summed up the Nunes memo the best - “That’s it!??”
James Comey is lower than whale shit when it comes to integrity.
The key point of the Nunes memo is that the FBI used the Steele documents without informing the FISA court that they were prepared by a political party and the veracity of the documents was in doubt. Nunes provides no evidence of this other than his opinion, Nunes did not even look at the underlying data,
So you are saying Nunes and his counterparts on the committee just dreamed up this memo with no backing evidence?
Here's a little fact you (and the dims) are ignoring: This committee has been doing this investigation for over a year and has thousands upon thousands of pages of documents, plus they have the transcripts of the testimonies of the players involved. This memo is a brief synopsis of what has been uncovered with regards to how the DoJ/FBI fraudulently obtained a FISA warrant. That is key here in this memo, we have the Dept of Justice in conjunction with the FBI using a political smear document, paid for by the DNC/Clinton campaign, and this document was dubious at best and not even properly vetted. The DoJ/FBI used this document as a basis to obtain a FISA warrant against a political campaign, and in doing so did not disclose to the FISA court the origins of the Steele dossier. Officials in the DoJ/FBI have testified under oath that had they disclosed to the FISA court the true origin and validity of the Steele dossier the warrant would not have been granted.
Without actually seeing the FISA application and the discussions that went into granting it, it is impossible to tell if this claim of “bias” is true or not or whether the surveillance would have been granted in any case. I have no idea if the rules of a FISA application allows for the use of information that has a political bias or is otherwise un-verified. It does seem that the Steele documents were not the sole basis for granting the FISA surveillance, but even that is unproven. Lacking some hard evidence that the FBI did something illegal or woefully un-ethical, the Nunes memo is short on fact and long on speculation.
Again, all you are doing is regurgitating Liberal talking points and obviously you have not been following the story or as usual you are only getting the MSM version. If Nunes and his committee just dreamed all of this up, like you and the dims are suggesting, then it will be real easy to discredit the memo using facts and documentation. All Schiff has to do is go into those reams of documents and testimony and go point by point, citing the actual documents (he has access) and Nunes and the republicans will be blown out of the water.
But you don't see that, do you? The dims are crying "constitutional crisis" and coming apart at the release of the memo, but yet they won't release the backing documents. Hell, they aren't even leaking the backing documents. All they can do is cry Armageddon and say "liar liar pants on fire!" and of course run to their MSM to back them up.
So, let’s see it all, the Democratic response, the FISA application (properly redacted) and the full transcripts of the proceedings.
Yep, let's see Schiff and company run to release those documents to prove it's "Russia Russia Russia". All Schiff has to do is have the committee vote ( and the republicans won't object) and send it up to the WH to make sure there are no objections (and there won't be).
Let me ask you this: Do you think Schiff has the balls to release those documents?
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Spin Zone / The Endgame for Impeachment
« on: February 03, 2018, 07:39:45 AM »
CAUTION: The writer of this article uses actual legal procedures and applications of the laws and gives a well written and thoughtful discussion of such matters. He does not perpetuate a fantasy narrative craved by Alt Left Progressives.
https://townhall.com/columnists/nicholaswaddy/2018/02/03/the-endgame-for-impeachment-n2443816
https://townhall.com/columnists/nicholaswaddy/2018/02/03/the-endgame-for-impeachment-n2443816
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The $64,000 question in American politics today is this: will President Trump be impeached and removed from office? The short answer to this question is: very likely not. Nonetheless, there are a variety of ways in which the impeachment drama could play out. It could end with a whimper or a bang. To a large degree, this is in special counsel Robert Mueller's hands.
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Spin Zone / Re: The Memo
« on: February 02, 2018, 08:20:05 PM »
Now the dims are threatening Trump if he fires Rosenstein it will be "obstruction of justice".
Think about that. Under the Constitution the President presides over the Executive Branch. The DOJ is under the Executive Branch, and the FBI resides in the DOJ.
So now we are being told that a President cannot fire an employee of the DOJ, even if he has cause?
WTF?
Rosenstein has activily colluded and conspired against the President using fraud, yet the dims claim its obstruction of justice to fire him.
This is seriously fucked up and out of control.
Think about that. Under the Constitution the President presides over the Executive Branch. The DOJ is under the Executive Branch, and the FBI resides in the DOJ.
So now we are being told that a President cannot fire an employee of the DOJ, even if he has cause?
WTF?
Rosenstein has activily colluded and conspired against the President using fraud, yet the dims claim its obstruction of justice to fire him.
This is seriously fucked up and out of control.
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Spin Zone / Re: The Memo
« on: February 02, 2018, 01:32:18 PM »Where's General Session's statement? He owns this.
Here ya go: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/2/sessions-wake-explosive-memo-no-department-perfect/
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Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Friday that he will push the Justice Department to clean up any shortcomings identified in the wake of the new House intelligence committee memo, saying “no department is perfect.”
Mr. Sessions, in a statement, did not say whether he agreed with the conclusions in the memo, which argues top FBI and Justice Department officials during the Obama administration, bleeding into the Trump administration, used tainted evidence to justify spying on a Trump campaign figure.
Instead, Mr. Sessions said Congress’s questions are legitimate and must be answered.