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Spin Zone / Re: More mainstreamers changing tune
« on: November 03, 2016, 08:22:40 AM »
Watch the MSM call Florida for Hillary within seconds of polls closing to suppress voter enthusiasm in the Mountain and Pacific time zones.

Yep.

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Spin Zone / Re: Can Clinton keep a (national security) secret?
« on: November 03, 2016, 06:49:47 AM »
This will send Witmo into another spinning diatribe:


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/02/fbi_sources_tell_fox_news_indictment_likely_in_clinton_foundation_case.html

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1. The Clinton Foundation investigation is far more expansive than anybody has reported so far and has been going on for more than a year.

2. The laptops of Clinton aides Cherryl Mills and Heather Samuelson have not been destroyed, and agents are currently combing through them. The investigation has interviewed several people twice, and plans to interview some for a third time.

3. Agents have found emails believed to have originated on Hillary Clinton's secret server on Anthony Weiner's laptop. They say the emails are not duplicates and could potentially be classified in nature.

4. Sources within the FBI have told him that an indictment is "likely" in the case of pay-for-play at the Clinton Foundation, "barring some obstruction in some way" from the Justice Department.

5. FBI sources say with 99% accuracy that Hillary Clinton's server has been hacked by at least five foreign intelligence agencies, and that information had been taken from it.

 So, as previously stated, it's not just the email's on Weiner's laptop. 

 Face it, Hillary dug this hole back when she thought she could circumvent FOIA laws with a private server.  She owns everything that is about to happen, and once again proves to the American people she is unfit to hold the office of President.

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Spin Zone / Re: More mainstreamers changing tune
« on: November 02, 2016, 05:02:13 PM »
Maybe Jeff's "best case" 269-269 scenario will happen.

 That's just Jeff's wet dream.

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Spin Zone / Re: Can Clinton keep a (national security) secret?
« on: November 02, 2016, 12:08:08 PM »
You agree then that at best the alleged quotes contribute nothing?

 My post is rather clear for anyone that has comprehension skills.

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Spin Zone / Re: Can Clinton keep a (national security) secret?
« on: November 02, 2016, 11:25:26 AM »
That makes it possible to claim Clinton said all sorts of things under the guise of plausibility.

Why is that sort of bogus attack even being done when there is supportable material against her that is actually more damning? Bogus attacks water down the damning material.

 Reading comprehension issues?

 Read again, just slow down and read each word carefully. If you need help let us know.

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Since Clinton kept her speeches secret (except from excerpts from wikileaks) that's a bit hard to do.  And the people that heard those speeches aren't talking either.

 First sentence:

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Since Clinton kept her speeches secret (except from excerpts from wikileaks) that's a bit hard to do.

 Fact: Clinton kept her speeches secret and never released them.
 Fact: Wikileaks did release excerpts of a few speeches.

 And I concluded "that's a bit hard to do" in response to your quote:

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Feel free, then, to post reasonably credible references that support the alleged quotes from Clinton.

  Second sentence:

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  And the people that heard those speeches aren't talking either.


 Meaning?  There are no sources available.

 So, to sum it up, I stated 2 facts then concluded it was "hard to do" since her speeches were kept secret and that the people that witnessed the speeches were not confirming or denying what was in them.

 

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Spin Zone / Re: Can Clinton keep a (national security) secret?
« on: November 02, 2016, 10:05:00 AM »
So there isn't the smallest shred of evidence that Hillary ever uttered that quote!  Amazing what people will believe.

Do appreciate you acknowledging that spin and deception are party-blind!  There is lot's of it out there.  ;)

 I posted this:

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Since Clinton kept her speeches secret (except from excerpts from wikileaks) that's a bit hard to do.  And the people that heard those speeches aren't talking either.

 Please enlighten us what I posted was untrue or "spin and deception"?

18082
Spin Zone / Re: Can Clinton keep a (national security) secret?
« on: November 02, 2016, 09:27:22 AM »
Feel free, then, to post reasonably credible references that support the alleged quotes from Clinton.

 Since Clinton kept her speeches secret (except from excerpts from wikileaks) that's a bit hard to do.  And the people that heard those speeches aren't talking either.

18083
Spin Zone / Re: Can Clinton keep a (national security) secret?
« on: November 02, 2016, 07:25:04 AM »
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/sites/default/files/clinton_foundation_report_public_2014.pdf

Take a look at the Tax filing on page 28.  Salaries alone account for 19.6% of revenues.

 Exactly.  And that's just the perception they want the public to have.  Like anything else "Clinton" it's has more holes than swiss cheese.

 It's already been well documented how the Clinton Foundation works. It's nothing more than a portal to funnel money to the Clintons for access to government under the guise of "charity".

18084
Spin Zone / Re: Can Clinton keep a (national security) secret?
« on: November 02, 2016, 07:06:33 AM »
Which, of course is completely untrue.

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16680

While the Clinton Foundation has some serious issues as far as fundraising and access, as a charity, they do a pretty good job.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/12/news/economy/clinton-foundation-charity-navigator/

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Unlike many other aid groups, the Clinton Foundation files multiple IRS 990 tax forms for its various initiatives. In some years, the foundation has filed three 990 forms. In others, it has filed only two.
"The Clinton Foundation has multiple legal entities, and then also multiple disparate programs, which makes it impossible for us to rate in the actual format that we do ratings today," said Thatcher.
In order to rate it, Charity Navigator needs the Clinton Foundation to complete a form that includes all its operations, which is different than the combined financial materials it currently provides on its website.

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Shalala and Thatcher then discussed how the Foundation could get a Charity Navigator rating. "There was an eagerness," said Thatcher.
Thatcher has provided the Clinton Foundation with Charity Navigator's special consolidated form. Thatcher says if the Clinton Foundation provides him with 4 years worth of information in that format, his analysts will be able to evaluate the information and potentially assign a rating.

 Ah, great!  So Charity Navigator gives the Clinton Foundation a "form" to fill out and then makes a determination.  And we all know, given the Clinton's life long determination to be transparent and always tell the truth that the form was filled out correctly and truthfully.  Would Bill and Hillary lie or shield the truth?

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Whether a Charity Navigator rating is significant is an open question. Professor Brian Mittendorf, Professor of Accounting at Ohio State University and an expert in philanthropy, puts it this way:
"A Charity Navigator rating would be something that supporters and/or critics would fixate on to support their pre-existing views of the organization or its founders, but wouldn't really provide new information."

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Spin Zone / Re: Can Clinton keep a (national security) secret?
« on: November 02, 2016, 05:43:38 AM »
Witmo, the Clinton Foundation is currently under intensive investigation by the FBI. But I'm sure it has spread just enough charity in the world to provide good cover.


https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/10/30/former-fbi-asst-director-fbi-has-intensive-ongoing-investigation-into-the-clinton-foundation/

The Clinton Foundation spends about 6% of its income on charity, the rest goes to "administrative fees".   

 The Clinton Foundation is basically a money laundering outfit that's ripe for a RICO investigation.  It is currently under an FBI investigation.

 But Witmo will cling to the talking point about "all the good" it does around the world.

 BTW Witmo, the people of Haiti and Colombia are still waiting for the Clinton Foundation to come through with the aid they promised after taking in millions in donations.

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Spin Zone / Re: Can Clinton keep a (national security) secret?
« on: November 01, 2016, 03:20:11 PM »
I wrote that Comey had no idea what the emails on Wiener's computer might reveal because Comey said he didn't know what was on the computer. When he wrote the letter reopening the investigation the FBI had yet to get a search warrant for the computer for HRC related emails. Lucifer opines that the FBI knows more than they're revealing, well if Comey did know more when he made his initial statements, the FBI was snooping around without a search warrant which I don't think they would do knowing that anything they found unrelated to the sex investigation of 'Wiener would be suppressed by a judge.

You do realize if someone gives the FBI documents they don't need warrants.   You do realize if someone tips off the FBI with information they again don't need a warrant to receive that information.

 You are parsing words and trying to inject what you want the Comey letter to say.  That or you actually have little reading comprehension skills.


I may not be thrilled with HRC as President but I have to take her over Donald Trump who has absolutely no clue on anything other than ensuring Donald Trump is taken care of first and foremost.  Yes, HRC is not shy about making money for herself but her grasp of everything a President has to master is head and shoulders above Donald Trump.  She may be the first woman President but I'm afraid that should DT be elected, he would be the last President of either sex due to his incompetence.  It's a survival thing with me.  I feel we can survive HRC but I have serious doubts we could survive DT.  Maybe in four years the Republican Party might get their act together and look towards uniting this country instead of nominating a clown like Donald Trump.

 So you feel a woman who has lived her life in one scandal after another, who has zero accomplishments in public service, who feels she is above the law, who has sold access to government and probably worse, who has broken multiple laws, is any way shape or form fit to be president?

Wow.

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Spin Zone / Re: Hypocrisy.
« on: November 01, 2016, 10:15:47 AM »
If the FBI finds the missing emails and that Abedin didn't turn over all devices, there should be some pretty serious charges. But given how the press conference went in July, I'm not holding my breath.

 End the end, a grand jury will be convened and Hillary, along with several others will be indicted.

 And as Obama leaves office Jan 20th, he will issue them all a pardon.

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Spin Zone / Re: CNN really is in the tank
« on: November 01, 2016, 09:58:19 AM »
I saw that this morning. Hillary is out there trying to divert attention away from her investigation and onto Trump's alleged Russian ties. The FBI came out and said they don't exist, at least not how Hillary was hoping.

https://theintercept.com/2016/08/08/dems-tactic-of-accusing-adversaries-of-kremlin-ties-and-russia-sympathies-has-long-history-in-us/

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Spin Zone / Re: Can Clinton keep a (national security) secret?
« on: November 01, 2016, 07:32:57 AM »
You accuse me of knowing more about this investigation than has been released and yet you boldly speculate about whatever is on Wiener's laptop being evidence of HRC wrongdoing.  Yeah, right, I'm the one making stuff up.  Comey stated in his letter reopening the investigation that the FBI did not know what the emails on the computer concerned, who wrote them, or who received them.  Weiner is being investigated for sex crimes and has nothing to do with HRC and yet he thought it necessary to reopen the HRC investigation less than two weeks from the election and announce it before even getting a warrant to read the emails.  Whatever happened to "I can't comment on any investigation" which was the standard comment law enforcement officials used to make.  Don't you understand how dangerous it is to innocent people when law enforcement blabs about someone being investigated?  You've already tried HRC and found her guilty so any protections don't apply to her I suppose.  You know what's on the computer.   They (FBI) should STFU, do their job, and if the prosecutor sees evidence uncovered of wrong doing, indite that person.  This is BS--We don't know if there's anything on this Wiener computer relevant to HRC, but we're announcing we're reopening the investigation--a pure an utter abuse of power and prejudicial to the election.

 Your entire post is straight out of the latest DNC talking points. 

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“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”- Joseph Goebbels

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