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Spin Zone / Re: The working class

« on: February 01, 2017, 04:15:58 PM »

Quote from: Rush on February 01, 2017, 12:41:22 PM

https://hbr.org/2016/11/what-so-many-people-dont-get-about-the-u-s-working-class

Very insightful article.

Not bad, but I think it isn't well sourced. Consider this article on some statistics on who may have actually voted for Trump:

"The Mythology Of Trump’s ‘Working Class’ Support "
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/

(Edited to add this article which is post-election: https://newrepublic.com/article/138754/blame-trumps-victory-college-educated-whites-not-working-class)

Also, if you take a look at the percentage of Trump voters in rural areas, the skew was so much toward Trump that a high proportion of rural women must also have voted for him over Clinton.

I have a suspicion that rural voters lean conservative simply because a larger percentage are self-employed versus urban voters. Government laws, regs, and such generally make life more difficult for the self-employed. And even when not self-employed, the average business is fairly small in rural areas relative to urban areas. Other aspects like access to public utilities may not exist or be limited, requiring the average rural voter to be more self-sufficient anyway. Government regs generally interfere than help in that regard.

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Spin Zone / Re: What is social justice?

« on: December 20, 2016, 07:10:54 PM »

By the way, did anyone else do a Google search on "social justice"? Turns out that:

There is a (rather long) Wikipedia entry on the topic (the "Talk" pages always have some amusing insights): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice
Then there is a (rather long) page on the subject "What is Social Justice" because it needs to be defined in order to understand the "Center for Social Justice and Human Rights" presumably at the site's educational institute: https://gjs.appstate.edu/social-justice-and-human-rights/what-social-justice
Then there is a (rather long) conservative-slant discussion titled "Social Justice: Not What You Think It Is" on the Heritage Foundation web site: http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/social-justice-not-what-you-think-it-is
And while there are many more Google hits, I'll end with a copy-and-paste of this short version from the Urban Dictionary http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=social%20justice:
Social Justice: "Promoting tolerance, freedom, and equality for all people regardless of race, sex, orietntation, national origin, handicap, etc... except for white, straight, cisgendered males. Fuck those guys, they're overprivileged no matter what."

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Spin Zone / Re: What is social justice?

« on: December 19, 2016, 08:36:19 PM »

When creeps get theirs at the hands of a mob.

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Spin Zone / Re: Global Warming = Snow In Hawaii

« on: December 06, 2016, 11:49:52 PM »

Quote from: Number7 on December 06, 2016, 06:40:19 AM

IF, as so many activists claim, global warming is either real, or man made, then what is the actual 'correct' temperature for the globe?
What makes the current temperature wrong and the temperatures in the last decade right?
By who's reckoning is any temperature right, or wrong?

My variant of your first question to someone advocating government intervention is:

If the climate was discovered to be changing naturally rather than human caused, would the person still consider it proper to intervene in a "natural" change?

As to what climate is "right" - one answer may be "The one we have today" because that is the expectation everyone currently assumes in their future plans. But I don't think they have any "right" to that expectation - it is up to them to either plan for the unexpected or they have to work on making the climate not change. Maybe find people with similar expectations and persuade them to help fund a giant nuclear powered carbon sequestration plant - or whatever.

As a libertarian I'm very reluctant to employ government solutions - though our atmosphere, as a shared commons, may be one of the few legitimate areas that government has more than the usual scope to police than they should with private property.

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Spin Zone / Re: A Salt Weapon

« on: December 02, 2016, 02:49:44 PM »

Quote from: Number7 on December 02, 2016, 11:16:54 AM

That is a racist weapon becaus salt is white.

Actually one can mix pepper in with the salt. A racially integrated way of blasting insects. After all, a house-fly divided against itself cannot stand.

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Spin Zone / Re: Ohio State Attacker Was Taking a Class About Microaggressions

« on: December 01, 2016, 08:41:32 PM »

Quote from: Becky on December 01, 2016, 07:01:58 PM

I see it! I get an A for spotting the microaggression!

Mr. Logajan's parenthetical statement makes me feel less than adequate. I identify as witty, erudite, and wild. He has no idea what a struggle it is to be me. I blame him and his ilk for the oppressive, hateful environment they create. Such judgmentalness is surely not what our Founding Parents intended!

I like to think I'm really more of a macro-aggression type of person when I put my mind to it. Like over on the flag burning thread....

(My guess is Abdul Artan probably would have gotten a poor grade in that class if was graded in a tradition (microaggression) way.
I'm sure he would still pass, though, were he still alive - bad grades being forms of microaggressions.)

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Spin Zone / Re: Burning the Flag

« on: December 01, 2016, 03:42:20 PM »

Quote from: Lucifer on December 01, 2016, 03:30:06 PM

It's my opinion of JL as I feel opinions as he wrote here are foolish, hence "simpleton".

No apologies.

No apologies needed here.

I don't mind insults at all - shucks, I've been known to answer to someone yelling "Hey stupid!" with "Um, yeah?"

On the other hand, when someone does fire first with their opinion of my mental abilities I do sometimes like to use it as an opening to fire back in kind. Though after 28 some years of being on online forums I know that kind of response is eventually counterproductive.

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Spin Zone / Re: SWEDEN: Hundreds of Muslims destroyed decorative Christmas tree in Swedish mall

« on: December 01, 2016, 12:56:15 AM »

Pays to read the comments on those videos, first, before spreading them with incorrect info.

One comment had a link to liveleak.com where the video is longer and described as taking place in Egypt - not Sweden. And the liveleak.com video was posted back in January 2016 with the event claimed to have occurred on January 12. Weeks after Christmas. So either the Muslims were really tardy in getting their mob properly disorganized, or the video isn't at all what it is claimed to be.

Here's a question for those who think there may be some validity to the attack claim: how many Christmas trees do you know of anywhere that can be climbed by half a dozen people and not topple over or quiver in the slightest? The tree appeared to be built to be climbed.

I'll post a link to Snopes last cause they're considered lying liberals by some on here, so this is for the rest: http://www.snopes.com/offended-muslims-attack-christmas-tree/

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Spin Zone / Happy Thanksgiving!

« on: November 23, 2016, 07:12:50 PM »

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Spin Zone / Re: Thousands protesting Trump victory.

« on: November 09, 2016, 09:14:29 PM »

Quote from: YouOnlyLiveTwice on November 09, 2016, 09:01:27 PM

That is the Liberal Way.

Remember when thousands of conservatives were on the street protesting the day after the election of Clinton and later that of Obama?

Me neither.

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Spin Zone / Thousands protesting Trump victory.

« on: November 09, 2016, 09:00:09 PM »

Do they want a do-over under different rules? Sounds like it.
Keep at it till they get the results they expected?
If they weren't going to accept the results, why did we bother with an election and not go straight to a coronation of the queen?

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Spin Zone / Re: Your 2016 Presidential Vote:

« on: November 08, 2016, 09:45:50 PM »

The voting has closed.
The bar is open.

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Spin Zone / Re: DRL Drone Racing "Pilots"

« on: November 04, 2016, 02:16:16 PM »

Quote from: asechrest on November 04, 2016, 01:51:33 PM

Alright. It doesn't seem that serious to me, though. They are typically referred to as "drone pilots". Are you upset at Maritime Pilots?

[Edit] - Just noticed you included maritime pilots in your response. Be honest: you looked it up, didn't you! (I did!)

Pilots!? I thought this thread was about pirates! Damn my hard of seeing! Time for some Gilbert and Sullivan "The Pirates of Penzance":

A life not bad for a hardy lad,
Though surely not a high lot,
Though I’m a nurse, you might do worse
Than make your boy a pilot.
...
And I did not catch the word aright,
Through being hard of hearing;
Mistaking my instructions,
Which within my brain did gyrate,
I took and bound this promising boy
Apprentice to a pirate.

("When Frederic was a little lad" lyrics: http://www.gilbertandsullivanarchive.org/pirates/web_op/pirates02.html)

One performance of G&S's little ditty:

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Spin Zone / Re: President Trump's Press Secretary

« on: November 03, 2016, 03:17:32 PM »

Quote from: Becky on November 03, 2016, 03:00:02 PM

From the President's lips to our ears. Of course, if the President lies to us, we are still receiving false or spun info. But the chain should be as short as possible.

This all begs a question. Is it possible to create a source of news that tells the truth as close as possible? One that, say, 80% of Americans would agree is trustworthy?

If not, journalists themselves could remedy that by holding themselves and their field to a higher standard. A respected and heavily watched news source SHOULD suffer ratings and respect losses if it veers toward deception. Currently, we don't seem to have that.

What do we know is true? A question that reminds me of the scene in Dark Star where astronaut Doolittle argues with a bomb that is about to explode: