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Spin Zone / Re: Damn Donald, damn
« on: March 23, 2018, 06:27:34 PM »
this is Ryan's SECOND trillion dollar waste and spend bill.

When he was elected speaker, he instantly rushed one through and CLAIMED he was only doing it so that he could carefully construct a superior budget bill that would prioritize needs and cut waste.

Then he did what swamp dwellers do. He lied out his ass and spent like a drunken sailor.

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Spin Zone / Re: The Yuugest PPV of All Time
« on: March 22, 2018, 11:17:09 AM »
Thunderdome

Two politicians enter, none leave! (In an ideal world.)

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Spin Zone / Re: A Liberal's Concept of Free Speech
« on: March 16, 2018, 07:50:03 AM »
So are you saying now there should have been arrests?
Just a couple of statements that I think we would all agree on:

If someone beats on someone else, short of self defense, they should be arrested.
If Conservatives are arrested for a certain type of actions, then Liberals should be arrested if they participate in the same type of action.

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Spin Zone / Re: Progressives are progressing toward...what?
« on: March 16, 2018, 06:28:37 AM »
"Progressive" is just a cloak for "communist".

  Calling themselves communist has bad perception to it, so they use "progressive" because it evokes something positive.

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Spin Zone / Re: On gun control.
« on: March 03, 2018, 07:29:21 PM »
Of course I recognize the MSM gives the left a pass.  They only did a little last time because it was unbelievable ever state that it wasn't Schumer's fault.

And yes, I do blame the Republicans for not compromising on anything.  They don't recognize the position they're in.  They refuse to recognize what could be gained in order to "protect" a bunch of stuff that probably isn't as important.  They refuse to exploit an opponent's weakness if it means giving up anything.

This is what I fault them on.  They're going to take their righteous right into losing power.
Sorry B, I think you may be suffering from some kind of confirmation bias here, the R's give ALL the time, otherwise we would not have 22,000 Federal, State and Local gun laws instead of 'shall not be infringed'; we would not have abortion on demand instead of a respect for life; we would not have Sanctuary Cities (and States, fuck I hate living in California); we would not have people not knowing which fucking bathroom or personal pronoun to use; we would not have bakers being sued for refusing to bake a gay wedding cake, and we would not have gay marriage; we would not have DoD paying for sex change operations/hormones for incarcerated traitors; and so on and so on and fucking so on.

THIS is the big lie, that one side, the Conservative side, does not compromise, they have compromised after compromise.  The real issue is even their capitulation is not ever going to be enough because the left wants uniformity of thought and belief and action.

Obama for example was not rejected and opposed as strenuously as he was because of the color of his skin, it was the color of his politics.

The middle has had enough and Trump is the symptom, not the cause.  The vast majority of people do not care anywhere near as much as about politics in the whole as we do here - they care about individual things in their individual lives, paying bills, being healthy, being left alone, etc. 

But, there are issues that resonate with them deeply, being called racist over and over when there is ZERO evidence to support such a vile and destructive claim, being called deplorable, being blamed for events that they have literally nothing to do with, and starting off consistently in any discussion on their back foot and on defense because of the constant attack dog nature of our politics.  They, we, have had fucking enough and are not going to take it anymore.

The R's have been incredibly ineffective as both a minority and majority party for the past several decades not because they don't give enough, but because they never really fight at all.

'Gimp

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Spin Zone / Re: On gun control.
« on: March 01, 2018, 02:16:10 PM »
How about a ban on whatever meds this (latest) kid was on?

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Spin Zone / Re: US Women’s Hockey - Gold!
« on: February 26, 2018, 01:02:15 PM »
Respectfully, what you did was judge her one a single action.  If I did the same to you, then I'd have said that you're a closed minded, mean hateful person who neither cares for others nor respect them.  Like I said, give think back to a time when you did something that didn't come across well and give her the benefit of the doubt - not the judgement of the minute.

Coming from outside the right - things like this this is why the Left says that conservatives are mean and hateful and vice versa.  Tolerance and respect mean this doesn't happen.

But I didn't. I'm sure you're a great guy and if we sat down with a few beers, we'd talk about all kinds of great ideas.
You’ve got to be shitting me. “Coming from outside the right” calling out someone for their detrimental actions is mean and hateful, but calling someone a racist, homophobic, sexist Nazi is just and right and calling it like you see it. Got it.

How’s the perch from the cheap seats? 

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Spin Zone / Re: The Memo
« on: February 04, 2018, 03:05:28 PM »
Why would I (or anyone else) be in favor of political spying by the FBI??  US Government surveillance of any US citizen is pretty serious stuff.  The bar to do so has to be very high.  That is the purpose of the FISA court.  The government prepares the case and the judge then decides if it is warranted.  In this particular case the judge did deem it appropriate.  None of us in the general public really has the facts as to why that happened. Could opposition research by a political party be part of that justification?  That could be the case, it is up to the FISA judge to evaluate the merits.  What the Nunes memo implies is that the only reason the FISA warrant was issued was the Steele documents and was done soley to discredit the President. From what we do know, that doesn't appear to be the case. Other than Mr. Nunes opinion, he gives scant detail to back it up, if Mr. Nunes has true evidence, why didn't he put it in the memo?  The surveillance order was renewed multiple times, most recently by people appointed by the current administration.  If there was some evidence of illegal activity by the FBI, why was it renewed?

Did the FISA order have limits?  Again, that isn't known, we do not know if the surveillance was limited to Page, or included any other contacts he may of had.  There is no information that the FBI had the ability to listen in on everything happening in the Republican campaign.

A FISA request has never been denied.

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Spin Zone / Re: GUARANTEED To Trigger Steingar
« on: January 19, 2018, 06:14:11 PM »
If you want a solution to America's social problems then you have to deal with race. Otherwise we need not discuss another problem.

I feel that it is not only my patriotic duty, but my civic duty to point out the wrong with the hopes that it will be corrected, not to play the blame game. If the offender happens to be White and the offense adversely affects Blacks then by deflecting, defending and otherwise denying and then gaslighting (Number7 is expert at it)- I submit to you that is racist.

Begging your pardon, but I am not allowed to deal with race.  If a white man says a word about race, they are almost immediately labelled racist. 

I am granted no authority to say a word to a black person about racism.  They will not listen to me.  Despite the fact that I think I have a fairly good understanding, they do not want to hear my suggestions.  Doing so would be more likely to get me lynched than to create any improvement. 

So...how would you suggest I "solve" racism?  Keep in mind that my family is Irish.  I'm just the third generation climbing out of our own racism mess.  I know that when I talked about it with my grandfather, he didn't wring his hands and bemoan his lot for being Irish.  He told stories about just quietly keeping on with his business, about keeping working, keeping saving.  He retired a millionaire several times over by doing nothing more than running his own business, keeping his head down and not looking for anyone else to solve his problems.  I'm sure that as a successful businessman, you recognize the value of those characteristics.  Are they part of "black culture"?  I"m not allowed to offer an opinion, so you tell all of us.

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Spin Zone / Re: The Left is just flipping deranged
« on: January 18, 2018, 07:48:44 PM »

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Spin Zone / Re: I hate the health care industry. Hate, hate, hate
« on: December 20, 2017, 04:11:39 PM »
Technically it was not repealed, the penalty was set at zero.

I love it how Trump is unravelling every anti American policy Obama put in place.  He is doing exactly what he said he would do in the campaign, and this is in a law, not an EO. 

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Spin Zone / Re: Climate change
« on: December 18, 2017, 06:30:09 PM »
The only time climate change is discussed on a governmental level is when ther democrats are seeking to grab more power, money, and control.
Period.

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Spin Zone / Re: Al Frankin should resign
« on: November 18, 2017, 07:09:51 AM »
I expect this weekend a "breaking news" story that will push the Franken story off the front page.

Perhaps Mueller is preparing to indict a key Trump campaign person, such as the janitor at Trump Tower because they have evidence the janitor drinks White Russians.

Cable news will run with it 24/7.

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Spin Zone / Re: Is There Nothing the Republicans Can't Screw Up?
« on: November 12, 2017, 08:15:54 AM »
Before the election I was trying to tell my Trump hating relatives why he was so popular: because he was a D.C. outsider, that the real divide in this country isn't Democrat vs Republican, it's us the common people vs what we're now calling the swamp, the politicians in power. Look what the Democrats did to Bernie Sanders and now look what the Republicans are doing to Trump. Trump never was a genuine conservative; what he was, was an alternative to the status quo. The Republicans must really hate him because they failed to do what Hillary did to Sanders - force him out before he had a chance to let us, the people, choose him over them.

Both parties are still willfully ignoring the message: We the People are sick of your shit.

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Spin Zone / To football players who take a knee
« on: November 05, 2017, 09:25:43 AM »
Not related to the NFL, but related to sports:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21277983/mark-cuban-says-warriors-draymond-green-owes-apology-remark-team-owners

NBA player Draymond Green is saying that Mark Cuban, and others, shouldn't use the term "owner" because it implies they own people. Mark Cuban responded by saying that he owns equity, not people and it's wrong for Draymond Green to make that assertion.

We're now at the point where owning a company is offensive because it has the term "own" in it. Aside from that, the word "chairmen" has a legal component to it, such as the "chairman of the board" and is not appropriate for all situations.
Maybe we should start an era where we don't give a shit if people are offended, and instead of asking for an apology, the appropriate response would be to just tell the offending party to go fuck themselves. 

Oh, wait. That era lasted from about 1776 to 1988 or so.

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