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Spin Zone / Rittenhouse shoots Dirtbags
« on: November 20, 2021, 09:33:49 PM »
Not a funny joke actually. How many people have LEOs killed in botched raids in the last year? How many SWAT raids have they executed based on mistaken assumptions? It truly is a very serious problem.

And how many of them have actually been involved in the production of child pornography, where such a question would actually be appropriate.

Read the book “3 Felonies A Day” if you want to start getting a sense of how there are now so many laws that basically any professional is arguably committing several felonies each day. It is mostly a matter of if the prosecutors want to try and get someone.

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Spin Zone / Rittenhouse shoots Dirtbags
« on: November 20, 2021, 08:03:44 PM »
Quote from: Rush on November 20, 2021, 07:05:29 PM
But this sounds like you disapprove of anyone being a policeman. Aren’t their good ones?  I know they are caught enforcing bad laws, like drug laws. But does that mean they’re all statists? Or can they just want to protect their community despite having to also enforce bad laws?

I think the problem with being an LEO today is that there are just too many laws that violate other people’s natural rights. The book “3 felonies a day” goes into this problem at some length. And if you sign up, then your career and promotion start to depend on enforcing these bad laws.

I’m sure a fair number start out wanting to help and protect people’s rights, but with corrupt systems, there just isn’t much they can do.

It used to be they were called “peace officers”. Now they are called “law enforcement” officers. There is a difference.

I don’t buy the Nuremberg “just doing my job” excuse any more. If an LEO enforces an immoral law, I hold him or her personally morally responsible. Basically I don’t think good people should go into this line of work anymore until our legal system is substantially reformed or replaced.

ETA: I suppose one could try and evaluate what fraction of one’s duties are enforcing immoral laws versus moral laws and other forms of public service. My sense is that a lot of modern law enforcement is dealing with the consequences of the war on drug users.

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Pilot Zone / WWII British vs Axis Engine Development
« on: November 20, 2021, 06:02:29 PM »
Quote from: Lucifer on November 20, 2021, 05:52:32 PM
On the P38.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_P-38_Lightning
So it was on carbureted engines. Interesting. There are many who still say not to do that given the uneven fuel distribution to the cylinders.

Personally I don’t think I will run LOP in my Bo, even with injection. My understanding is that it can be hard on the engine, particularly when going through peak. Sure it saves a few bucks and gets you some increased range, but is it worth it? What do people think?

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Spin Zone / Re: Are we still doing Contact Tracing
« on: November 20, 2021, 05:56:52 PM »
Quote from: Rush on November 08, 2021, 09:07:05 AM
I think when they talk about percent effectiveness, they mean you will have that much reduced symptoms.

Most of the early studies looked at relative risk of being infected. This was determined in large cohorts, one of which received the vaccine and another the placebo.

These showed an early effectiveness in the 90-95% reduction of your chances of infection. That was against the initial variants.

It seems to be dropping off now.

They have also started measuring the likelihood of having a serious bad outcome if you are infected depending on whether you have been vaccinated or not.

It seems that is likely the main benefit presently. And that benefit may be obtainable by vaccination immediately upon noticing symptoms. But I don’t think the data is so clear on this yet.

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Spin Zone / Re: Are we still doing Contact Tracing
« on: November 20, 2021, 05:51:24 PM »
Quote from: Jaybird180 on November 08, 2021, 08:05:57 AM

Where is the threshold point where scientist will say: the risks outweigh the benefits? I think never, because the tail is wagging the dog.

Some scientists have been noting this about many of the Covid-19 interventions from the beginning. But sadly public policy in the US has very little to so with rational evaluation of the facts.

And with respect to the vaccines the risks and benefits are close enough that this really needs to be an individual choice.

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Pilot Zone / Re: WWII British vs Axis Engine Development
« on: November 20, 2021, 05:44:41 PM »
Very interesting video. What sort of engines was Lindberg teaching LOP operation for in the Pacific?

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Spin Zone / High intelligence, wisdom, and arrogance
« on: November 20, 2021, 05:04:21 PM »
Quote from: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 20, 2021, 04:42:00 PM
what about when the name calling is accurate?
Calling a speaker names in a discussion is always a logical fallacy. The personal characteristics of the speaker have nothing logically to do with the validity of the arguments. Stupid people can make valid arguments just as very intelligent people can make false ones.

Aside from that, in the vast majority of cases people resorting to ad hominem attacks have lost the argument. Not necessarily so however.

But I simply have no interest in discussions with such people.

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Spin Zone / Re: High intelligence, wisdom, and arrogance
« on: November 20, 2021, 04:39:47 PM »
The irony in that behavior being, of course, that calling people names is usually a sign that the speaker has no good argument, has lost the argument, and in some sense knows it.

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Spin Zone / Rittenhouse shoots Dirtbags
« on: November 20, 2021, 04:05:27 PM »
Quote from: Rush on November 20, 2021, 09:27:37 AM
I agree with you except don’t understand your statement about the state doing all the actual violence on your behalf. The leftist rioters do plenty of violence themselves, or did I misunderstand what you meant?
While the rioters are the most egregious example, I think the majority of the violence is actually done by their policies enforced by the government.

The government uses violence and threats of violence to achieve it’s ends. That is what distinguishes it largely from private organizations - it is legally allowed to do that.

The left just doesn’t see that whenever they are violating someone’s natural rights with a political policy they are using violence to achieve their ends.

And pertaining to this case, Kyle Rittenhouse looks like he is anxious to become one of their enforcers.

And once you sign up to enforce all laws, then you  are signed up to enforce even those which violate people’s natural rights. Including those proposed by either the left or the right. Neither major party has a rights based approach.

The other thing that pertains here is, as some of my more anarchistic friends like to note, without their army of paid enforcers, i.e. LEOs, politicians would just be a bunch of somewhat crazy people sitting around in a room arguing with each other.

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Spin Zone / Re: Rittenhouse shoots Dirtbags
« on: November 20, 2021, 03:59:01 PM »
Quote from: Little Joe on November 20, 2021, 11:14:56 AM
Whose liberty are you interested in?  I'm more interested in people defending their town than for those wanting to burn it down.
True that liberty does have different meanings. I mean like in “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”. In order word freedom that respects people natural rights. Clearly requires respecting other people’s property and not burning it down.

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Spin Zone / Re: Rittenhouse shoots Dirtbags
« on: November 20, 2021, 03:57:15 PM »
Quote from: nddons on November 20, 2021, 03:52:18 PM
I agree. He sounds like a Hitler Youth. Better kill him before he reproduced little Kyles.
Don’t know if I would go that far. But he does seem to tend toward statist LEO.


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Spin Zone / Re: Rittenhouse shoots Dirtbags
« on: November 20, 2021, 09:22:09 AM »
Quote from: Rush on November 20, 2021, 09:15:14 AM
Because it was a fair trial that looked at the facts. Leftists can’t win with fairness, facts and reality, and that enrages them.

I tend to think that what really enrages them here is a fear that people are able to defend themselves against the mob that they favor. That is likely a pretty terrifying thought. Here you think you have it all nicely sowed up with the state doing all the actual violence on your behalf which you ignore and deny even exists. Then along come individuals who can counter that.

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Spin Zone / Re: Rittenhouse shoots Dirtbags
« on: November 20, 2021, 09:19:07 AM »
Quote from: EppyGA - Proud Despicable on November 20, 2021, 09:00:13 AM
His actions going forward will define him.  Personally, I'm not sure I would have given Tucker, or any conservative talker interview.

I will be very curious to see how he ends up processing all this. Will his experience with the enormous power of the state and its potential for abuse cause him to be more freedom oriented? Or will it put him further in the direction of using and increasing state power?

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How do we know the other girl was not his sister and he was defending her?
Perhaps it was. Also as noted by Rush we don't know a lot of the details. Nonetheless, repeatedly striking a girl from behind when the other girl to the original dispute is being held at a distance strikes me as a bit excessive. Like Rush, I am inclined to think of it as a teenage physical dispute that got out of hand.

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BTW, I came from a pretty screwed up family and turned out okay, as have my sons.

For some it has that effect and makes them better people. Which I think speaks to their character quite positively. I don't think Kyle Rittenhouse is responsible for his troubled background -- he was a minor. As an adult he will now have a number of challenges to overcome.


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Spin Zone / Re: Rittenhouse shoots Dirtbags
« on: November 20, 2021, 08:38:29 AM »
Quote from: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 20, 2021, 08:35:22 AM
ah, so he isn't a saint, probably.
Right. Riots tend to attract some unsavory characters on both sides. Oftentimes not the sort of person you'd want to invite to Thanksgiving dinner.

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Spin Zone / Re: Rittenhouse shoots Dirtbags
« on: November 20, 2021, 08:34:01 AM »
Quote from: Rush on November 20, 2021, 06:58:57 AM
It’s possible he has a pattern of behavior that led him to confrontations and an inclination to use force. This does nothing to change the fact that he acted in self defense in the riot, but it shows that just being there might not have been a wise decision. We think his motive was altruistic- to defend businesses- but we don’t really know. You might be on to something.

I’m not going to say he is some hero. Neither am I going to agree with the left that he’s a white supremacist looking for trouble.

Pretty much agree with your whole post. While I was inclined to think of him more heroically to begin with as a defender of our 2nd amendment rights, this punching a girl repeatedly from behind and some of his other background (see prior post) has caused me to adopt a more nuanced view.

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