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Spin Zone / There is one plane over Iran right now
« Last post by PeterNSteinmetz on Today at 08:21:17 PM »
This. ^^^^^ That’s my understanding too. “Thou shalt not kill” cannot be the intent, otherwise soldiers doing duty in war are committing mortal sins. Self defense would not be possible, and mercy killing would be wrong which can be debated but some would say it would be immoral not to put a person out of their misery like we do dogs. Also capital punishment would not be allowed, also debatable but legal in many states and not forbidden in any major religion except Buddhism.
Ok, well that was just an example of one sort of moral framework one might start with and how one proceeds from it.

So Rush and Little Joe and UserName, what moral frameworks are you starting from and how do they lead to a conclusion in the case Rush posited - namely a domestic violence defense in a case without immediate threat justifying a killing of a repeat offender with clear ill intent?

ETA - note that what Rush says is true from the posited moral position. A pure Christian pacifist probably does think that soldiers killing in war is immoral and that a mercy killing and capital punishment are also immoral. This is how different starting moral positions will lead to different conclusions.
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Spin Zone / Re: Trump bombs Iran
« Last post by jb1842 on Today at 06:35:09 PM »
How many times did FJB and Obamer bomb or drone other countries without a peep from those who are screaming now?  Let's ask...

From Google AI:
Some sources indicate that the U.S. conducted over 500 drone strikes during Obama's eight years in office. Other reports suggest a figure closer to 1,878 drone strikes during his eight years. Obama also authorized other airstrikes in various countries, including Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan. In 2016 alone, it's estimated that the U.S. dropped at least 26,171 bombs.

Don't forget Obama ordered the death of an American citizen without due process. Granted he wad a terrorist who deserved it, but the "nobody is above the law" crowd need to STFU. Everytime they open their mouths I'm stunned that the things they say today are dumber than what they said yesterday.
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Spin Zone / Re: Trump bombs Iran
« Last post by Rush on Today at 06:17:22 PM »
Yep, and now Trump is “starting a war.”   I’m pretty disappointed in a lot of erstwhile Trump supporters who are now dumping him.
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Spin Zone / Re: Trump bombs Iran
« Last post by Mase on Today at 05:23:59 PM »
Let's pause for a moment and remember how we got here:

Democrat Hillary Clinton supplied Iran with Uranium to enrich their nuclear program

Democrat Obama shipped Iran $1.7 BILLION of cash on pallets, which was undoubtedly used to advance their nuclear program.

Democrat Obama entered into the JCPA deal which allowed Iran to be on the path to developing a nuclear weapon

Democrat Joe Cadaver unfroze $16 BILLION of Iran funds which they used to advance their nuclear program.

Democrat Joe Cadaver announced that he will no longer enforce the strict oil sanctions put in place by Trump 45 which brought Iran's economy to its knees. As a result of Joe Cadaver's lifting of the sanctions, Iran amassed over $100 BILLION in oil revenue

Anyone see a pattern here?
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Spin Zone / Re: There is one plane over Iran right now
« Last post by Rush on Today at 05:17:21 PM »
I was taught that the commandment "Thou shall not kill" was a misinterpretation in the King James version that should have read "Thou shall not commit murder".  There is a difference.

This. ^^^^^ That’s my understanding too. “Thou shalt not kill” cannot be the intent, otherwise soldiers doing duty in war are committing mortal sins. Self defense would not be possible, and mercy killing would be wrong which can be debated but some would say it would be immoral not to put a person out of their misery like we do dogs. Also capital punishment would not be allowed, also debatable but legal in many states and not forbidden in any major religion except Buddhism.
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Spin Zone / Re: There is one plane over Iran right now
« Last post by Rush on Today at 05:02:59 PM »
It's possible to escape a threat without killing the person. Escape, Evade, Avoid. Yes, persistent stalkers are a menace, and should be dealt with at the time of hostility.

Sorry Rush.  :)

Sun Tzu (The Art of War) would disagree with that:

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Sun Tzu advises against waiting for the enemy to attack at their strongest. Instead, he advocates striking when the enemy is weak and vulnerable.

I’m talking about situations where escape is very difficult or impossible. My position is that women are stupid for getting involved with such pyschos in the first place, but the subject at hand is the legal system, which insists a woman, once in that predicament, go against the best fighting advice ever written, and wait til the guy is actively attacking before defending herself.
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Spin Zone / Re: There is one plane over Iran right now
« Last post by Little Joe on Today at 04:57:02 PM »
It occurs to me that my question may be a bit abstract, so I will try and illustrate with an example. I will try and answer the proper moral response from a Christian pacifist perspective (I am not an expert on such a perspective by any means though.)

One of the Ten Commandments is “thou shall not kill”. Therefore one is not justified in killing the prior attacker even with current threats or at any other time.

Seems a simple and clear deduction from that perspective.
I was taught that the commandment "Thou shall not kill" was a misinterpretation in the King James version that should have read "Thou shall not commit murder".  There is a difference.
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Spin Zone / Re: Trump bombs Iran
« Last post by Rush on Today at 04:43:21 PM »
Disney World?

Ha! No, he was saying Fordow. 
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Spin Zone / Re: Trump bombs Iran
« Last post by Anthony on Today at 04:24:54 PM »
She may have said within and I didn’t hear the “with” part because I am deaf as a post. I also kept wondering why Ben Shapiro was talking about Trump dropping bunker busters on Florida.

Disney World?
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Spin Zone / Re: There is one plane over Iran right now
« Last post by Anthony on Today at 04:23:45 PM »
It's possible to escape a threat without killing the person. Escape, Evade, Avoid. Yes, persistent stalkers are a menace, and should be dealt with at the time of hostility.

Sorry Rush.  :)
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