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Spin Zone / Re: Your Government Hates You
« Last post by EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 18, 2024, 04:06:13 PM »
Let's think for a moment how communist regimes work.  If they have to deal with any opposition they will use all the arms of the government to get dirt on you and then use that dirt to get you to go along with the program.  If you do manage to get popular, they just kill you.
Put Speaker Johnson in that scenario and you'll understand where things are.
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Spin Zone / Re: Mayorkas Charges Dismissed…..
« Last post by Anthony on April 18, 2024, 02:12:49 PM »
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Spin Zone / Re: More Ukraine Clusterfuck
« Last post by Lucifer on April 18, 2024, 02:12:09 PM »
We in America have learned bitter lessons from two World Wars: It is better to be here ready to protect the peace, than to take blind shelter across the sea, rushing to respond only after freedom is lost. We’ve learned that isolationism never was and never will be an acceptable response to tyrannical governments with an expansionist intent.
Ronald Reagan, (6 JUNE 1984)

[Edit to add: I am not a Republican, but the above quote indicates that Lucifer isn't one either.]

 Nope, I’m a conservative.   You obviously don’t know the difference. 

 Reagan didn’t write that in defense of a dictatorial country.  That’s another part of this you don’t get. 

 The neocons have pushed this regime change garbage around the world, and not once has it worked out.  And now we have a government using a third world country being ruled by a petty dictator as a huge money laundering operation, and the US borrowing billions to give to them with zero accountability, and handing the tax payers the bill for the principal and interest.   

 You recently posted a thread showing how the debt service on borrowed money is out of control, yet here you are wearing your Ukraine lapel pin cheering more billions to be given to them. 

 Yes, I’m a conservative and damn proud of it. But the typical liberal will hide behind such things as “moderate” or even call themselves a “libertarian”.  But the liberal always comes out. 
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Spin Zone / Re: More Ukraine Clusterfuck
« Last post by Little Joe on April 18, 2024, 12:34:39 PM »

And no intelligent adult would ever think you were either conservative or republican.
You might be right,
But what do you think? ;)
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Spin Zone / Re: More Ukraine Clusterfuck
« Last post by Number7 on April 18, 2024, 10:18:22 AM »
We in America have learned bitter lessons from two World Wars: It is better to be here ready to protect the peace, than to take blind shelter across the sea, rushing to respond only after freedom is lost. We’ve learned that isolationism never was and never will be an acceptable response to tyrannical governments with an expansionist intent.
Ronald Reagan, (6 JUNE 1984)

[Edit to add: I am not a Republican, but the above quote indicates that Lucifer isn't one either.]

Your bullshit aside, (and your observation is pure bullshit) Lucifer would feel offended to be labeled a republican in the modern sense of the word.

And no intelligent adult would ever think you were either conservative or republican.
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Spin Zone / Re: More Ukraine Clusterfuck
« Last post by Jim Logajan on April 18, 2024, 08:56:41 AM »
We in America have learned bitter lessons from two World Wars: It is better to be here ready to protect the peace, than to take blind shelter across the sea, rushing to respond only after freedom is lost. We’ve learned that isolationism never was and never will be an acceptable response to tyrannical governments with an expansionist intent.
Ronald Reagan, (6 JUNE 1984)

[Edit to add: I am not a Republican, but the above quote indicates that Lucifer isn't one either.]
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Spin Zone / Re: Your Government Hates You
« Last post by Username on April 18, 2024, 08:26:10 AM »
Exactly!  RDS would be good in a "normal" time.  We need a fighter.  We need a real wartime president.  And the enemy is within.
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Spin Zone / Re: Your Government Hates You
« Last post by Rush on April 18, 2024, 08:14:26 AM »
RDS

He would be good but he does not have what Trump has. 

1. The drive, whether it's narcissistic self-aggrandizement or something else, to risk everything (prison, wealth, life even) for his cause.  I don't see DeSantis withstanding that level of persecution; I feel like he'd cave to the establishment.  He has a more normal sense of self-preservation.

2. The ability to get the message to the people that his cause is the people. Trump's cause is not ideology, it's us. The feeling from DeSantis is that his cause is conservatism. Nothing wrong with that, it's better than leftism, but it is still a remote abstract rather than down in the trenches with us.

3. The foreign business experience in different cultures which is part of why Trump kept us out of war. The other part is the very thing he's criticized for: He's so crazy he'll pop off WW3, which is the very thing that prevents it. Putin was unsure if Trump would bomb Moscow like he threatened if he invaded Ukraine, so he didn't do it.  DeSantis might do fine in foreign affairs but right now it is a total unknown, and he lacks the "crazy" aspect that is part of Trump's arsenal.

4. Billions of dollars. DeSantis is not wealthy enough to be immune from monetary bribery or threats.

DeSantis would be fine in a normal world as would many others, but right now we don't have a normal world, we have an immediate threat of an irreversible oligarchical hardening that puts the elite first and the regular citizen last. We need more than a good leader, we need a unique warrior for this. Trump is RARE.  We're not gonna get another one in our lifetime.

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Spin Zone / Re: More Ukraine Clusterfuck
« Last post by Lucifer on April 18, 2024, 07:43:34 AM »
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Spin Zone / Re: Your Government Hates You
« Last post by EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 18, 2024, 07:10:13 AM »
It won’t explode. Nothing will happen until people are starving. The most they’ll do is vote for Trump in a massive red wave but that will be overcome with Dem cheating.  We’ll get Biden, then we’ll get Harris when Joe has a stroke, unless they hide it and let Jill pretend to run things behind the scenes.  In the meantime they’ll ramp up the mass surveillance and head off any possibility of revolt just like China does and we will be permanently a totalitarian state with our “Liberty and Justice for All” just a sick joke but kept as slogan for the tyrants to rub in our faces.
Yep
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