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Spin Zone / Re: Will B.O. Make Recess Appointments?
« on: November 11, 2016, 11:13:08 AM »
There are a lot of vacancies, including SCOTUS.  And he is known to make recess appointments even when there is no recess.  Maybe he will make some egregious ones to draw attention away from the coming pardons.

The 2014 SCOTUS decision in the NLRB v Noel Canning case (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NLRB_v._Noel_Canning) would seem to make such appointments highly improbable, given that the Republicans control the Senate and will continue that control. They aren't going into recess anytime soon.

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Spin Zone / Re: Thousands protesting Trump victory.
« on: November 11, 2016, 10:07:33 AM »
Just because it wasn't effective doesn't mean it didn't happen.

When making a claim it helps to produce supporting evidence for the claim to be considered credible. That is my modest standard, anyway. Expression of paranoia or an appeal only to plausibility just doesn't suffice. At least not when the claim is for fraud that didn't happen on large enough scale to be noticed.

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Spin Zone / Re: Thousands protesting Trump victory.
« on: November 09, 2016, 09:14:29 PM »
That is the Liberal Way.

Remember when thousands of conservatives were on the street protesting the day after the election of Clinton and later that of Obama?

Me neither.

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Spin Zone / Thousands protesting Trump victory.
« on: November 09, 2016, 09:00:09 PM »
Do they want a do-over under different rules? Sounds like it.
Keep at it till they get the results they expected?
If they weren't going to accept the results, why did we bother with an election and not go straight to a coronation of the queen?

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Spin Zone / Re: Suicide Watch at MSNBC
« on: November 09, 2016, 07:34:38 PM »
Is that a tree-car garage?

 :)

I'll be generous and assume the people who had that done are motorcycle owners with a big sense of humor.


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Spin Zone / Re: Red State / Blue State
« on: November 09, 2016, 07:26:41 PM »
Interesting article, written in 2012, on the urban-blue/rural-red divide (some its claims debatable but worth a read):

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/red-state-blue-city-how-the-urban-rural-divide-is-splitting-america/265686/

"The voting data suggest that people don't make cities liberal -- cities make people liberal."

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Spin Zone / Never-Trump Republican Evan McMullin's failure
« on: November 09, 2016, 03:10:35 PM »
Trump still won Utah with 47% of the vote in spite of efforts to deny the state to him by the "Never Trump" Republicans. While 47% is pretty low compared to Romney's 72.6% of 2012 (Obama got 24.7%) Hillary got ~28% this time (~3% more than Obama.)

McMullin did manage an impressive 20% for an unknown late-comer, but would have had to pull another 13.5% from Trump to have won the state.

Actually, the "Never Trump" Republicans seem to have failed not only in Utah but nationally. No doubt because there was no coordinated plan.

And speaking of other "Never Trump" people: Libertarian VP candidate Bill Weld's electioneering efforts on behalf of Clinton seem to have been equally without effect. (Though it may have pushed some votes from the Libertarian ticket to Trump in disgust; it doesn't look like it had the intended effect at all. Sure pissed off a lot of Libertarians who had to hold their noses while voting for their ticket. Weld is likely persona non grata at the Libertarian party now.)

Lastly, I was not at all surprised by the low support for Gary Johnson in Utah - his apparent personal (non-libertarian) opinion that the state may regulate and limit the exercise of religious freedom in one's choice of fiscal transactions and the Libertarian party position on abortion being a state-level matter are both against Mormon beliefs. I was more surprised to read some people thought Mormons held libertarian views or could be persuaded that way.

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While the acceptance speech was fine, it was otherwise pretty banal. IMHO of course.

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Spin Zone / Re: Suicide Watch at MSNBC
« on: November 09, 2016, 10:27:44 AM »
What percentage of the vote did Gary Johnson get?

Looks to be about 3% - about 4,000,000 votes at current count.
(Type in the keywords "popular vote" in Google search and they currently display totals for the president. At the moment Clinton appears to be leading in the popular vote 59,580,000 to Trump's 59,341,000 give or take a few thousand.)

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Spin Zone / Re: Presidential Election Results
« on: November 08, 2016, 11:34:30 PM »
What, did everyone else hit the sack?

Just 10:30 for us west-coasters. Not a lot to say, I suppose. If Trump does win, I sure hope he is kept on a leash by the Senate and House. Looks like a high probability at the moment that both chambers stay Republican. But then, those are the predictions of the pollsters who seem to have predicted wrong so far.

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Spin Zone / Re: Your 2016 Presidential Vote:
« on: November 08, 2016, 09:45:50 PM »
The voting has closed.
The bar is open.

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Spin Zone / Dixville Notch results are in
« on: November 07, 2016, 11:24:34 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/08/politics/dixville-notch-results-2016/

Clinton (4), Trump (2), Johnson (1)

Including other nearby venues, the totals are Clinton (25) and Trump (32). Based on the other votes mentioned, I get:

Trump: 32 (49.2%)
Clinton: 25 (38.5%)
Johnson: 4 (6.2%)
Sanders: 3 (4.6%)
Romney: 1 (1.5%)

Has any media outfit called the election yet?  ;)

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Spin Zone / Re: Clinton amnesty tax: $15,000 per household, $1.2 trillion
« on: November 05, 2016, 04:58:20 PM »
That article has no cross-references to the 496 page NAS report to support any of its claimed numbers. Not very professional.

He pulls a trick to create what appears to be a shockingly high tax:
"To cover the future cost, "
then states that payment for those future costs is to be made NOW. What he doesn't say is that kind of fiscal approach makes that $15,000/household cost a ONE-SHOT tax. It is NOT a yearly tax increase. That isn't how governments fund such services. Your parents weren't charged a birth tax to cover any average net loss the government anticipates you will impose on them over the course of your life (i.e. your cohort is expected to underpay taxes over the average life span relative to the cost to provides services to your cohort.)

Having front-loaded the article with obfuscation he finally gets around to the qualifiers and the period covered by that one-shot tax:

"Converting a net present value figure into future outlays requires information on the exact distribution of costs over time; unfortunately, that data is not provided by the National Academy of Sciences. However, a rough estimate of future net outlays to be paid by taxpayers (in constant 2012 dollars) for illegal immigrants after amnesty is around $3.6 trillion over 75 years."

That's about $48 billion a year. A $600/household/year ($11.54/household/week)  tax using the number of households implied by his numbers. But since he says the NAS report doesn't provide any data on costs over time, when and how those costs come due make such averages not terribly useful.

Just to be clear about the trick he pulled, he even admits to it:

"Of course, if the federal government were to grant amnesty, it would not actually raise current taxes by $1.29 trillion and put the money in a high-yield bank to cover the future costs."

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Spin Zone / Re: Voter fraud is real enough that Trump is suing already
« on: November 05, 2016, 03:42:33 PM »
Jeff stops by the forum again:

Would you be trying for this kind of exchange?:


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Spin Zone / Re: DRL Drone Racing "Pilots"
« on: November 04, 2016, 02:16:16 PM »
Alright. It doesn't seem that serious to me, though. They are typically referred to as "drone pilots". Are you upset at Maritime Pilots;)

[Edit] - Just noticed you included maritime pilots in your response. Be honest: you looked it up, didn't you! (I did!)

Pilots!? I thought this thread was about pirates! Damn my hard of seeing! Time for some Gilbert and Sullivan "The Pirates of Penzance":

A life not bad for a hardy lad,
Though surely not a high lot,
Though I’m a nurse, you might do worse
Than make your boy a pilot.
...
And I did not catch the word aright,
Through being hard of hearing;
Mistaking my instructions,
Which within my brain did gyrate,
I took and bound this promising boy
Apprentice to a pirate.

("When Frederic was a little lad" lyrics: http://www.gilbertandsullivanarchive.org/pirates/web_op/pirates02.html)

One performance of G&S's little ditty:

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