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Spin Zone / Re: DRL Drone Racing "Pilots"
« on: November 04, 2016, 02:16:16 PM »
Alright. It doesn't seem that serious to me, though. They are typically referred to as "drone pilots". Are you upset at Maritime Pilots;)

[Edit] - Just noticed you included maritime pilots in your response. Be honest: you looked it up, didn't you! (I did!)

Pilots!? I thought this thread was about pirates! Damn my hard of seeing! Time for some Gilbert and Sullivan "The Pirates of Penzance":

A life not bad for a hardy lad,
Though surely not a high lot,
Though I’m a nurse, you might do worse
Than make your boy a pilot.
...
And I did not catch the word aright,
Through being hard of hearing;
Mistaking my instructions,
Which within my brain did gyrate,
I took and bound this promising boy
Apprentice to a pirate.

("When Frederic was a little lad" lyrics: http://www.gilbertandsullivanarchive.org/pirates/web_op/pirates02.html)

One performance of G&S's little ditty:

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Spin Zone / Re: DRL Drone Racing "Pilots"
« on: November 04, 2016, 11:48:20 AM »
Can you find a chart on young people's ability to mentally cope with problems as adults or college students?

If there were some quantifiable characteristic that exists that directly or indirectly related to such a thing, and someone had been dutifully surveying it over the last few decades, such a chart might actually be constructed. I have no idea whether such a thing exists.

It is interesting to do a google image search using the keywords 'millennials vs baby boomers'. None of the infographics and charts that are found seem terribly helpful regarding mental coping, but some of the charts that include "Millennials" vs "Generation X" vs "Baby Boomers" vs "Greatest Generation" are interesting, though beats me what can be concluded.


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Spin Zone / Re: DRL Drone Racing "Pilots"
« on: November 04, 2016, 10:29:11 AM »
The biggest problem I have with young people today is their parents.  Helicopter parents have ruined a whole generation.

I don't know if such parenting is responsible or otherwise causal, but something has caused a decline in unintentional fatal injuries of people under 19 as indicated by the following chart:


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Spin Zone / Re: President Trump's Press Secretary
« on: November 03, 2016, 04:53:00 PM »
Giga-kudo's for the Dark Star reference - a lost classic.

'Gimp

Not too many Country & Western songs about Special Relativity tearing apart two lovers. I have "Benson Arizona" in my play list on my iPad (along with WingX.)

"Now the years pull us apart
I'm young and now you're old
But you're still in my heart
And the memory won't grow cold
I dream of times and spaces
I left far behind
Where we spent our last few days
Benson's on my mind"

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Spin Zone / Re: President Trump's Press Secretary
« on: November 03, 2016, 03:17:32 PM »
From the President's lips to our ears. Of course, if the President lies to us, we are still receiving false or spun info. But the chain should be as short as possible.

This all begs a question. Is it possible to create a source of news that tells the truth as close as possible? One that, say, 80% of Americans would agree is trustworthy?

If not, journalists themselves could remedy that by holding themselves and their field to a higher standard. A respected and heavily watched news source SHOULD suffer ratings and respect losses if it veers toward deception. Currently, we don't seem to have that.

What do we know is true? A question that reminds me of the scene in Dark Star where astronaut Doolittle argues with a bomb that is about to explode:



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Spin Zone / Re: 269-269 - who?
« on: November 03, 2016, 03:06:54 PM »
If Trump wins look for Obama to declare its an "illegitimate election" and was hacked by the Russians.

I can't tell if that is cynical humor or you really believe that is a possibility.

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Spin Zone / Re: 269-269 - who?
« on: November 03, 2016, 01:46:21 PM »
Of course all this assumes that the Electoral College elector is "faithful" and votes for the person he/she is pledged to vote for.  Really, nothing to prevent an Electoral College elector from saying "Screw this, I'm not voting for x, I'm voting for y."  An interesting check against the people going against the establishment and popularly electing a [doofus | criminal].  The house always wins.

I knew of a couple faithless electors, but hadn't realized there were so many cases of that happening in U.S. electoral history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector

A couple cases with the most such faithless electors (not including cases where a candidate died):
  • 1832 election: Two National Republican Party electors from the state of Maryland refused to vote for presidential candidate Henry Clay and did not cast a vote for him or for his running mate. All 30 electors from Pennsylvania refused to support the Democratic vice presidential candidate Martin Van Buren, voting instead for William Wilkins.
  • 1836 election: The 23 electors from Virginia were pledged to vote for Democratic candidates Martin Van Buren (for President) and Richard Mentor Johnson (for Vice President). However, they abstained from voting for Johnson, because of his open (and therefore scandalous) liaison with a slave mistress. This left Johnson with one fewer than a majority of electoral votes. Johnson was subsequently elected Vice President by the Senate.

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Spin Zone / Re: Can Clinton keep a (national security) secret?
« on: November 02, 2016, 11:59:49 AM »
So, to sum it up, I stated 2 facts then concluded it was "hard to do" since her speeches were kept secret and that the people that witnessed the speeches were not confirming or denying what was in them.

You agree then that at best the alleged quotes contribute nothing?

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Spin Zone / Re: Can Clinton keep a (national security) secret?
« on: November 02, 2016, 11:16:17 AM »
Since Clinton kept her speeches secret (except from excerpts from wikileaks) that's a bit hard to do.  And the people that heard those speeches aren't talking either.

That makes it possible to claim Clinton said all sorts of things under the guise of plausibility.

Why is that sort of bogus attack even being done when there is supportable material against her that is actually more damning? Bogus attacks water down the damning material.

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Spin Zone / Re: Can Clinton keep a (national security) secret?
« on: November 02, 2016, 09:21:41 AM »
I think it's fairly well established that the Snopes people suck the farts out of Hillary's chair.

Feel free, then, to post reasonably credible references that support the alleged quotes from Clinton.

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Spin Zone / Re: Can Clinton keep a (national security) secret?
« on: November 01, 2016, 06:15:45 PM »
Since when does the FBI need to go to Congress in order to get a warrant?

They don't. I was trying to keep my post short and may have garbled what I meant. What I meant to say is that the act of getting a warrant for the Clinton related emails would have very likely become public before election day and congress would then have complained they weren't notified as promised.

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Spin Zone / Re: Can Clinton keep a (national security) secret?
« on: November 01, 2016, 03:56:18 PM »
Far-fetched conspiracy theory I just made up:

It is has been claimed that the FBI agents had discovered emails on Weiner's computer relating to the Clinton case  weeks ago.
In all that time the agents never got a warrant to investigate further.
Maybe they didn't because they couldn't, and the only way to get one was for Comey to send his letter and put the pressure on to get one done.
Even absent Comey's letter, a warrant would likely have become publicly known anyway. And congress would have said WTF even to that.

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Spin Zone / Re: Can Clinton keep a (national security) secret?
« on: November 01, 2016, 03:35:22 PM »
The FBI would need an additional warrant. Here's why:

First, it seems that while examining the emails on Anthony Weiner's computer, the agents came across Huma Abedin emails to and/or from the Clinton private server. While the FBI may have had a warrant to search for emails specific to his communications with a 15 year old girl, once they see evidence of a crime outside the warrant that allowed their search, it appears that while they can use the first such email they find of the new crime, they can't go looking for any more emails related to that new crime until they first get another warrant specific to it. Here's a copy-and-paste from page 36 of https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/criminal-ccips/legacy/2015/01/14/ssmanual2009.pdf, which is a DoJ guide to handling computer searches during criminal investigations:

As  agents  review  a computer for information that falls within the scope of the warrant, they may discover evidence of an additional crime, and they are entitled to seize it under the  plain  view  doctrine.  Nevertheless,  the Tenth  Circuit’s  decision  in United States v. Carey, 172 F.3d 1268, 1273 (10th Cir. 1999), provides a cautionary example regarding continuing the review of a computer after finding evidence of  a  second  crime.  In Carey,  a  police  detective  searching  a  hard  drive  with  a warrant for drug trafficking evidence opened a “jpg” file and instead discovered child pornography. At that point, the detective spent five hours accessing and downloading  several  hundred  “jpg”  files  in  a  search  not  for  evidence  of  the narcotics trafficking that he was authorized to seek and gather pursuant to the original warrant, but for more child pornography. When the defendant moved to  exclude  the  child  pornography  files  on  the  ground  that  they  were  seized beyond  the  scope  of  the  warrant,  the  government  argued  that  the  detective had seized the “jpg” files properly because the contents of the contraband files were in plain view. The Tenth Circuit rejected this argument with respect to all of the files except for the first “jpg” file the detective discovered. Seeid. at 1273, 1273 n.4. As best as can be discerned, the rule in Carey seems to be that the detective could seize the first “jpg” file that came into plain view when the detective was executing the search warrant, but could not rely on the plain view exception to justify the search solely for additional “jpg” files containing child pornography on the defendant’s computers, evidence beyond the scope of the warrant. In subsequent cases, the Tenth Circuit has interpreted Carey narrowly, explaining that it “simply stands for the proposition that law enforcement may not expand the scope of a search beyond its original justification.”

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Spin Zone / Re: Oregon standoff leaders verdict
« on: October 30, 2016, 12:31:17 AM »
One of the jurors has emailed OregonLive.com an explanation of their decision. It looks like a simple case of the prosecution fucking up because of an attempt to maximize the sentence with a charge they couldn't make stick:

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/juror_4_prosecutors_in_oregon.html

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Spin Zone / Re: Your 2016 Presidential Vote:
« on: October 29, 2016, 10:40:27 AM »
Wow, five people throwing away their vote for Johnson?  That surprises me.

The Libertarian party needs at least 5% of the vote to qualify for public funding (whether they would or should accept it is another debate.)

Also, the higher the percentage they get the more psychological "Social Proof" they get (see Robert Cialdini's principles of persuasion.)

So each vote for Johnson actually does help the long term prospects of libertarianism.

Lastly "Social Proof" is the bedrock on which the current system resides - a person is expected to choose based on what other people are choosing, not on any other criteria. It is a classic Catch-22 system. Ironically, if publicly reported poll results don't exist when a person who buys into "social proof" is asked to decide, all their options could potentially throw away their vote. Pity them.

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