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Spin Zone / Re: More Ukraine Clusterfuck
« on: April 18, 2024, 07:35:54 PM »Reagan didn’t write that in defense of a dictatorial country. That’s another part of this you don’t get.That's your incorrect assumption. Zelensky was just an actor who got elected to his position years after the Russians had occupied parts of Ukraine. He proposed constitutional changes to limit corruption. To date he appears to have followed the Ukraine constitution better than Biden has the US constitution. Ukrainians wanted to join the EU (NATO entry already denied,) and not be tied to the Russian economic sphere, and were pursuing that goal. You can claim Ukraine is or was a dictatorship to your heart's content, that don't make it so.
Now suppose Ukraine is as you claim - there were the security guarantees to which the US was a party. US makes agreements with dictatorships all the time. If you can't trust a man, or a country, to keep their word would you trust them in the future?
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The neocons have pushed this regime change garbage around the world, and not once has it worked out. And now we have a government using a third world country being ruled by a petty dictator as a huge money laundering operation, and the US borrowing billions to give to them with zero accountability, and handing the tax payers the bill for the principal and interest.I agree that neocons dish out stupid shit, but I've seen contrary evidence for Ukraine accountability and no mention of regime change in the case of Ukraine. (As to Zelensky-involved money laundering - if the Kremlin intelligence agencies had dirt on Zelensky don't you think they'd publicize it via their proxies? None of the articles you've linked to in the past indicated any enrichment of Zelensky. Other corruption, yes, but becoming less as best I can tell.)
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You recently posted a thread showing how the debt service on borrowed money is out of control, yet here you are wearing your Ukraine lapel pin cheering more billions to be given to them.I'm a pragmatic anarchist. My use of "anarchy" just means I'd as soon live without organized thuggery (government) while "pragmatic" means I have to settle for adapting to conditions of reality and act as freely as I can. I vote libertarian as a small sop to that end, though it seems a futile effort. Pragmatically I try to keep up on world events because they may affect me. What I see in this case is the die is cast, and that if Putin wins Ukraine because the US stops giving aid, his belief that he need only outlast the West will have been confirmed. The Chinese will learn the same lesson even if Putin doesn't take Ukraine - it knows that it has a chance to dominate the Pacific. Lots of ways such results are bad for me and I think to you too. I cannot see any long term good outcome of suddenly stopping US aid to Ukraine.
Yes, I’m a conservative and damn proud of it. But the typical liberal will hide behind such things as “moderate” or even call themselves a “libertarian”. But the liberal always comes out.