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Spin Zone / Re: Trump's NY Trial
« on: June 01, 2024, 01:49:47 PM »
I like this meme fairly well.
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Here's what Ayn Rand said about that in 1978:
Then there is the placebo effect:Very good point. That is exactly why one must rely on randomized controlled trials to understand what is due to simply getting a shot, what may be due to receiving the activating agent (adjuvant) to induce greater immune response, and the active agent that is specific to a disease, in vaccine trials.
https://www.bidmc.org/about-bidmc/news/2022/01/placebo-effect-contributes-to-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-events
"Haas and colleagues analyzed data from 12 clinical trials of COVID-19 vaccines. The 12 trials included adverse effects reports from 22,578 placebo recipients and 22,802 vaccine recipients. After the first injection, more than 35 percent of placebo recipients experienced systemic adverse events – symptoms affecting the entire body, such as fever – with headache and fatigue most common at 19.6 percent and 16.7 percent, respectively. Sixteen percent of placebo recipients reported at least one local event, such as pain at site of injection, redness or swelling."
Interesting! Thanks for that. 8% suffering negative side effects should have clearly shown up in the phase 3 trials which had 43k subjects just for the Pfizer vaccine. Did a quick search and this is what Pfizer reported:What appear to be differences here are likely due to how you grade the severity of the adverse events. If the rate of serious adverse events is only 1 in 100k, we also know that mild adverse events is something like 30% or 30k per 100k. Given those numbers, how you draw the qualitative boundaries between mild and moderate or different numeric grades will matter - a lot.
"Data demonstrate vaccine was well tolerated across all populations with over 43,000 participants enrolled; no serious safety concerns observed; the only Grade 3 adverse event greater than 2% in frequency was fatigue at 3.8% and headache at 2.0%"
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccinem
Hmmm ... "adverse event greater than 2%". Not going to spend time digging through their original results but if they had just 3 other adverse event categories each affecting 1% of subjects then 8% is easily attained and still honestly report only two adverse event types occurring over 2%.
And people lost jobs for refusing the shot. People in the military were kicked out for refusing. We even had people here on this forum going on about how safe the vax was and how the VAERS data was wrong.The VAERS data is not “wrong” - it just cannot be used to estimate rate. It is self report and so fairly clearly subject to reporting bias. If there is a lot of news coverage, the number of reports will jump enormously.
I do kinda have a problem with them being a non-profit and writing it off as charity like regular Angel Flight.
The adaptation I've made is to view everyone outside my immediate family and everything with suspicion. That's far less than 25 - 50 people.
After what happened with Twitter, I wouldn’t be surprised if the CIA/FBI have someone on the PoA management board.Well, since we don’t actually know who owns PoA or the identities of most of the board members, I guess that is more likely.
What is your problem with Spike?Huh? Yes, I know the answer to that. Spike did so. Without any warning or explanation.
Okay, go to PoA and advertise PS and see what happens. They don't take kindly to having that board used to advertise other boards. We;re all here because they did away with their Spin Zone many years ago.
No, just asking.I think PoA has an enormous network effect that is very hard to overcome. You see this in how many people get there. New pilots will Google a question, just like I did, and the first few links are often to PoA.
Touchy? Hardly.
Not familiar with whoever that is.
I had 3 big mugs today. I'm getting out of control.Over the years I have seen several talks and papers about this. Reasonable research on both the long term benefits and harms of using coffee.
So I did some quick math and I estimate that is 504 mg of caffeine. The FDA says you should consume no more than 400. Okay, good, I'm not obeying the Feds. Otherresearchgoogling tells me that 500 mg of caffeine a day is associated with increased longevity, and a lower risk of type 2 diabetes, stroke, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, colon cancer, liver cancer and depression. So there.
You can block people here. So I still don't see the problem.We have discussed the difference before, right? I think a bi-directional block is preferable. The only thing we have here is muting really.