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Spin Zone / Re: What vaccine doesn't inhibit virus transmission?
« on: April 05, 2021, 03:03:23 PM »

 If you truly knew anything about science you would welcome other viewpoints.  But you're nothing more than an activist with a diploma.

DAMN YOU!!! The science is SETTLED!!!!

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Spin Zone / Re: Covidiocy Continued
« on: April 05, 2021, 10:09:28 AM »
Because the mechanism of the vaccine doesn't really indicate any long term consequences.  The mRNA vaccines won't stick around more than a few days, the gene therapy vaccines about as long.  If there is nothing to cause long-term effects there shouldn't be any.  Moreover, the damn things have been in use for months and there haven't been any documented.

On the other hadn't COVID definitely can cause long term effects, including but not limited to respiratory complications, brain fog, tumors, and lots of others up to an including death.

We need a lot more facts about these long term effects. Their rate, and a lot of study indicating causation vs correlation. Just because someone starts to have brain fog just after getting covid, doesn't necessarily mean covid gave it to him, but I'm preaching to the choir, you know that, just like just because someone dies just after getting the vaccine doesn't necessarily mean the vaccine killed him.

Right now I don't see that we have any kind of grasp on the statistics of these long term effects. And of course they need to be related to whether a person had an underlying condition. Respiratory complications caused by covid in someone with pre-existing lung disease is very different from a healthy person ending up with respiratory problems. All I've seen about this, so far, is anecdotal.

All of this the same applies to the vaccine too of course. Right now we don't know enough about either.

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Spin Zone / Re: Covidiocy Continued
« on: April 05, 2021, 09:03:53 AM »
Because the mechanism of the vaccine doesn't really indicate any long term consequences.  The mRNA vaccines won't stick around more than a few days, the gene therapy vaccines about as long.  If there is nothing to cause long-term effects there shouldn't be any.  Moreover, the damn things have been in use for months and there haven't been any documented.

On the other hadn't COVID definitely can cause long term effects, including but not limited to respiratory complications, brain fog, tumors, and lots of others up to an including death.


Tumors? That's a new non-specific symptom.  What else ya got?  How can liberals tell that they have "brain fog" from a disease vs their normal state?

Just be a good little sheep and line up for the government jab that's supposed to prevent you from catching cold, or most likely you'll never know you even had it. I can see mass vaccinations for something that is imminently fatal or grossly debilitating for life that affects a large percentage of the population, but this is not it.

I've never been so disgusted with the lack of manliness in this country. Coercing people into getting the shot so they will be "permitted" unfettered access to life activities and venues for a 99.9% survival rate bug is despicable, and is about CONTROL, not a disease

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Spin Zone / Re: What vaccine doesn't inhibit virus transmission?
« on: April 05, 2021, 08:09:36 AM »
No vaccine can prevent transmission of a virus.  Viruses go where they will. What a vaccine can do is minimize an infection cycle, and at that they're really good.  When the virus invade the body it finds an already primed immune system and can't get a good foothold.  That's especially important for a virus like COVID, that can infect many many different cell types.  The Polio vaccine didn't immediately stop  the spread of the virus. But you got a very minor disease vs. paralysis.  For COVID you might get some cold symptoms, but you aren't going to the hospital.

We're in a very, very new situation that we've never been in before as a nation and as a species.  We have a dangerous new virus against which we've just developed a vaccine.  Immunized people can still get and transmit the virus, but they won't be badly affected by it.  We haven't seen this previously because the vaccines in common use had been in common use for decades.  When they were first introduced the same situation applied.  Now it is far harder for the viruses to get a foothold because there are so many vaccinated people.

At least there used to be.  Because of the antiscience movement which seems to garner wide support on this site lots of folks aren't vaccinated.  There are routinely huge outbreaks of infectious viral disease all over the Western world.  As antiscoience spreads, and it will, there will be fewer and fewer vaccinated people.  And viral disease will become that much more prevalent.

The bolded statement, I do not understand. The average age of death of a covid victim is the same as the average lifespan. So collectively, it's not making a damn bit of difference in our species. Or maybe it's improving us, culling the weak. Covid is only dangerous to very old people and people who are already sick with underlying conditions.  There are rare exceptions but when have we ever made sweeping policy on the outlier exceptions? Don't answer that, we do it all the time. Policy is made on the public's perception of risk, not real risk. This is why we spend $$Billions retrofitting tank cars that carry crude and ethanol to increase their jacket thickness by 1/16" even though virtually no one has been killed by tank car explosions, yet we have no problem transporting corn syrup in tanks all over the place so it can kill millions with diabetes.

Given that we had the Black Plague, how can you say we're in a dangerous new situation we've never been in before?  Relative to that, we're not in any situation at all. Those people would laugh us out of town.

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Spin Zone / Re: Covidiocy Continued
« on: April 01, 2021, 06:21:58 AM »
Well, there’s concern that the COVID variants arising are caused by mass vaccination ... one immunologist has sounded that warning but gone unheeded by officialdom. So hanging out with our vaccinated friends might be dangerous ... they could contract a variant and give it to us.

Reader boards around town say “vaccinated or not, please mask up.”

So ... if vaccinating everyone doesn’t get us “back to normal,” and future strains will require more vax and continued masking, when the fuck does “normal” return?

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Spin Zone / Re: Covidiocy Continued
« on: April 01, 2021, 05:33:49 AM »
Quarantining healthy people makes absolutely no sense.  Quarantine the sick or the most vulnerable but let the healthy get on with life.

 The lockdowns, masking and social distancing are the biggest scams ever perpetuated (next to the 2020 election).

100% agree. Let the individual person decide and act upon their own perceived risk level.

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You'll have to forgive him.  He drives a Mooney.

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and now comes the scavenger hunt to find where ol' POS copied that from...


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Must be, “fuck-nozzle” is a new one on me, LOL!  You guys are making me laugh but I do wish there’d be more intelligent debate and less insults but I don’t feel like I can say so because this forum is an unmoderated free for all and I wouldn’t have it any other way, so, carry on.

Yes, a couple of times here lately, Steingar has called all of us “rubes.” Blanket labels and dismissals like that, from whomever they come, greatly lower the person’s legitimacy to me.




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Never could figure out the political undertones of gastrulation or placental development, but I bet you guys could.
Clever. Use the earliest question of life to justify the the inter uterine destruction of a fully formed human being anywhere from the size of my iPhone to a baby 1 second away from birth, and in some quarters like Illinois and Virginia, after the live birth.

Liberalism is a death cult.

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Spin Zone / Re: Mark of the Beast?
« on: March 29, 2021, 05:53:46 AM »
Yet it's racist to require voter ID.

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Spin Zone / Re: Election 2020
« on: March 29, 2021, 04:22:25 AM »
Lack of forensic access to the Dominion machines means lack of transparency and the fact that the USSC signaled zero interest in fixing this thing means our country is dead, we will never have a fair election again. It’s impossible without transparency with the vote machines, among other things.

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I hate it when there's just an infographic and no data about how the survey was conducted or their definition of the various fields.  I don't see computer programmers in there and suspect that it's buried under engineering.  And the donations of regular people are overwhelmed by donations from the highly liberal Silicon Valley firms.  Academia matches my experience.  The academics who can get a job in the real world tend to be conservative.  Those who can't get a job in the real world tend to be liberal.

And 29 presidents served in the military.

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Spin Zone / Re: Covidiocy Continued
« on: March 26, 2021, 10:12:11 AM »
I predict this pandemic will never end....
We must wear masks and social distance and keep businesses closed until we reach a 0% infection rate.  And after that so we never have another infection.  Science says so.  It's for the children!

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I say something, you ask me for a source, so I get one.  Ohh, that's the wrong source!  Has to come from Alex Jones or Breitbart or some such.  Or it has to match your. preconceived notions.

Whatever.
Come on.  You're an academic.  How about an unbiased source?  My ass can be a source to pull stuff from, but it's hardly unbiased.

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