When did all most of you guys become such devout environmentalists? 

I would say most here have been pro environment and conservationists since we were old enough and aware  enough to do so. The fact you would make an issue of it to make an absurd point is demeaning to yourself.

You lost the EV argument, so you lash out at everyone. Typical.
  

Other than Tesla, Rivian and a few others, most EV manufacturers are tripping over themselves over promising and under delivering.
For now,
- There is not enough charging capacity for everyone to own an EV.  But that is changing.
- Battery technology is emerging (at an amazing pace).  I don't own an EV yet, but when SS batteries become available I might not be able to resist much longer.

I love the idea of EVs, but the technology is nowhere near ready to support everyone owning an EV.  But somebody has to be first.
No, subsidies are purely political.
I'd venture to say that most families (even with just two people) already have two or more cars.  There is almost no valid reason that one of them couldn't be an EV.
That doesn't mean that I think every family SHOULD have an EV whether they want one or not, but there are few valid reasons not to, other than choice.  And nobody seems to care about that (personal choice) any more.  Everyone seems to think that their choice should be imposed on everyone else.

No, you're Government and the Corporations are the ones taking away people's choices. I don't care what you buy. Just don't force me to subsidize YOURS, then force me to buy one.

When will we see the hundreds of thousands of EV batteries, sitting, unrecycled and creating an environmental problem, when the new Third Reich forces EVs upon us?

How nice of the moron school administrators that have no idea of the difference between the Recolutkonary War and the Civil War.

These assholes need fired, not obeyed.

They're all on Planet Woke. It's NOT a Class M planet.   

She did win the popular vote, but graciously conceded due to the Electoral College count as she should have.  And she told her supporters to support President tRump.

Popular vote is meaningless.  Why did you even bring it up?

Yes, rhetorical question.   

I’m sorry but I think there was.  He could have fired them for governmental overreach, and hired those doctors that early on were saying this was not what it was presented to be.  America’s Front Line Doctors and others could have been supported instead of prosecuted.

He could have not given lawsuit immunity to the pharmaceuticals.

He could have SUED states for violating the First Amendment for shuttering churches while leaving liquor stores as essential businesses.

Etc.

Sounds good with having all the hindsight we do now. Not then, the above could not have been applied then without knowing what we know NOW.

I think that is the difference between our two camps.

Without question I (and people who think like me and want a candidate who can be more successful in the general election) would campaign for and vote for Trump if he won the nomination.  There’s literally no other choice.

I don’t believe half the current Trump fanatics would do the same. They would rather sulk in their defeat and ensure the election of Biden or Kammy than support the candidate who ran against Trump.

I think that’s pathetic and psychotic.

The only thing I believe is pathetic and psychotic is believing we have fair elections now. C'mon Man!

And with what certainty do you have the next in line doesn’t get the same treatment?

After all, if all they need to do is come up with phony crimes and indictments to get rid of an opponent, and willing prosecutors to do the dirty work, why not.   

 That slope is indeed slippery.

It won't stop with Trump. It could be RDS or someone else.  Just like they won't stop election fraud.