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20116
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: February 07, 2016, 12:16:52 PM »

Yep, but you seem unable to deal with the fact.


He's a Democrat in all but name.  That's demonstrable from his history.  You want to vote for Democrat to be the Republican nominee, that's your business, but don't expect me to shut up about it...telling people who have opinions other than your own is a tactic of long-standing among Democrats.

 Now wait a minute.  You use the Libertarian label but refuse to support the party for your own agenda.  Trump uses the Republican label but doesn't necessarily support the Republican party.

 And you have a problem with that????   LOL!!! ;D

 And, BTW, for such a Libertarian you claim to be, you sure enjoy using Alinsky tactics against anyone who disagrees with you.  :o

20117
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: February 07, 2016, 12:10:51 PM »

Why?


Does the Libertarian Party have a trademark on a philosophy of limited government?

 But it upsets you Trump is running as a Republican.   Can Trump not use the Republican label the way you use the Libertarian label???

20118
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: February 07, 2016, 11:17:51 AM »
This is true of nearly everyone is who claims they are a Libertarian. It is a trendy, hip thing to say amongst conservatives and even liberals today. Very few actually subscribe to the whole Libertarian party platform and will vote that way. Saying you are a Libertarian now is just a way to show your disgust for the parties that do matter and to distance yourself from them, but in the end, the Democrat and the Republican parties are the only parties that actually matter.

 True.  It's just disingenuous to claim a label but disallow the party it represents.

 

20119
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: February 07, 2016, 10:33:13 AM »


As a self-identified Libertarian why should anybody on the Republican side give one flying fuck what you think about their candidates in the first place?

'Gimp

 Jeff is a LINO.  ;D

20120
Spin Zone / Re: Happy Birthday, Gipper
« on: February 07, 2016, 07:39:44 AM »
When he was President, I thought MEH, an actor.  Looking back, he was the best President in my lifetime.

Best President of the 20th century.

20121
Spin Zone / Re: Republican Debate 2/6/16
« on: February 06, 2016, 07:19:51 PM »
The debates are useless, only there to get network ratings and promote careers of the moderators. 

Megan Kelly just signed her 10 million dollar book deal, so she needs to show her ass more.

20122
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: February 06, 2016, 03:40:52 PM »
I don't think Cruz can. He is just not charismatic and comes with too much baggage that the moderates don't like. Rubio has a chance, but has to start outlining actual plans for America that move towards the conservative roots, but clearly explained as to how it would benefit the people of America. That would mean more actual policy and less attack plans. You know, make an argument for why somebody in the middle should actually vote for them other than- "I'm not Hillary and I want to fix Obama's mess."

A certain amount of the electorate will vote Democrat no matter what, just as a certain amount will vote Republican no matter what. This is why you shouldn't waste too much time talking to these people. The GOP candidate should focus on the folks that really don't make any party affiliations and convince them that Republican is the way to go. A sales pitch for the future, not a whiny bitch fest about Obama and the Democrats.

In fact they should avoid Obama's name and Hillary's name in speeches. They should refer to the Democrats as "the opposition". They should avoid talking about the dogmatic social issues of the GOP, like abortion, gay marriage, school prayers and also gun rights. Of course the Democrats will try to force these issues to debate, but I would deflect to the issues that I think moderates are more concerned about.

They should hammer on these points-

  • The Economy and how to fix it.
  • The National debt, why it's bad and how to fix it.
  • National security and the plan for America around the globe.
  • Immigration, both south of the border, but also the Syrian and Muslim immigrants
  • How to fix, or replace Obamacare. Simply saying "repeal" is not enough. Solutions are needed.
  • How to address racial tensions and inner city unrest. Again with solutions.

Keep hammering on these. To address the other issues that are important and will likely come up, I would have a very comprehensive and detailed website that covers those things and then hand out the URL like candy. When the opposition, or the media wants to corner the candidate on say gay marriage, say as little as possible, reference the URL and get back to the list above.

Above all, be a polished, likable salesman for the GOP product. Nobody likes a harsh, complaining whiner. Let Hillary fill that role. Obama won both times in part because he was more "likable" and at ease with the cameras. Dogmatic shrews and loudmouths turn people off. Do this stuff and the GOP has a chance. Do as they always do and we get Hillary, or Bernie.

 Very good.  Nice to see someone who actually gets it.

I agree with most of what you have written, except I don't agree that Rubio is electable.  The DNC will mop the floor with Rubio and leave him in the dust. 

20123
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: February 06, 2016, 01:15:40 PM »
Simple question:

How does Cruz and Rubio overcome the disparity in the demographics to win the WH?

20124
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: February 06, 2016, 01:02:04 PM »
Lucifer.  Who are you from AOPA/POA days?

 How does that relate to the subject at hand?

20125
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: February 06, 2016, 12:16:48 PM »
Dude, I know facts is hard, and you don't like to admit that they exist, but the RCP average is just that - an average of all polls. Throw out whatever "junk polling" you want, and average the rest. Trump still loses the electorate.

The same polls , as well as the demographics from the only voting to take place this election season shows that Cruz and Rubio can win.  Not will win , but can win.

So, "dude", how well did those polls work in Iowa?  And how well did those polls work in the previous 2 presidential election cycles?

 You clearly don't understand demographics and your vitriol towards a certain candidate is clouding any reasoning you can hope to have.  In fact, you are a great representation of why the GOP is facing such an uphill battle in this election.

You have yet to answer a very simple question:  How does Cruz and Rubio overcome the disparity in the demographics to win the WH?




20126
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: February 06, 2016, 12:00:31 PM »
Sorry. Unfavorable ratings goes to electability. Your candidate isn't electable.

Reading comprehension problem I see.

Your whole focus is why Trump is unelectable, but you refuse or can't come up with a cognizant reason of how Rubio or Cruz can overcome the same problem.

Chanting "Trump is unelectable" will not persuade people to vote for a polarizing politician such as Cruz, nor will it help Rubio.

You can throw out all of the junk polling you want, but the basics confirm what I've been telling you.  Go do some homework.

20127
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: February 06, 2016, 11:52:48 AM »
And Trump is opposed by the far right and the evangelicals and despised by the left. Same problem, different blowhard.

Now we're getting somewhere. Rubio is a much better choice. Kasich as well.

Trump indeed has a problem at this point.   Rubio has the same problem as well.

Kasich doesn't stand a chance.

20128
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: February 06, 2016, 11:51:04 AM »
We can do this all day.

So how does Trump overcome his 57.8% unfavorable rating (Real Clear Politics average)?

Cruz' unfavorable is 40%. Rubio is 38%.

Clinton's is only 51.4%!  Sanders is 38.2.  And Obama is only 48.4%.

How is Trump going to appeal to the people who have an unfavorable opinion of him?  He is more disliked than Obama. Now THAT'S a winning formula for the GOP, isn't it?


First of all, you are trying to assert I'm somehow backing Trump.  While there are certain aspects I like about him, he too has a problem in coming up with the numbers.

The unfavorable ratings are polling gibberish.  To win a national election requires support from all sectors of your party, plus a portion of independents and democrats, period.


Now, stay on topic.  How does a Rubio or Cruz attract people from these demographics?

20129
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: February 06, 2016, 11:14:52 AM »
We'll see, won't we? 

Thanks for the honest answer.

So how does the bible salesman attract the independents and conservative democrats?  ANYONE who expects to win the the WH must have the backing of a portion of those two groups.

The extreme right wing and the evangelicals will not give enough votes to have a majority.

Rubio claims he "will unite the Republican Party", but how will he?  Rubio has already shit in his mess kit with a large part of the Republicans.

 Politics are a numbers game, period. If one can't add up enough numbers to get a majority then you don't win.

20130
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: February 06, 2016, 10:36:50 AM »
This thread has been very entertaining.  Thank you Lucifer and Jeff. 


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The "devil" is in the details...... ;D

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