Rush, I have to disagree. These comments are delivered in Number5 mode and clearly labelled as such. This is a special mode for Number7 and are a direct response to his abuse. They are roughly proportional.

He deserves it after his 9 years of abusing every poster here. Are you seriously proposing that there is something wrong with tit for tat under the circumstances?

It has also been made perfectly clear to him that it will stop as soon as he behaves civilly. It is totally up to him.

I get that you are stooping to his level and that’s perfectly fair.  But the baby killer thing is stooping below his level.  Just my opinion. You are free to disagree.

Also nit picky disagreement about him abusing every poster here. I don’t recall him ever abusing me. Not even once.

I told you they orchestrated this ahead of time to ensure a Biden win in 2020 as they bragged about in the Time Magazine article.  But it went even deeper than that. 

Listen to this video. A massively organized pre-planned underground mission to suppress any public discourse questioning the security of mail-in ballots.  Listen to it all the way to the end.  Then tell me this isn’t fraud, even by the legal definition: to trick using deception.  It’s way worse than I thought.  They not only planned the Biden win, they planned ahead of time the cover-up; ie the management of what they knew would be extreme doubt on the part of the public, that that demented old man who couldn’t draw a crowd beat Trump.

https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/1759722356975530158

The problem is the usage of the term “fraud”.  The lay definition is not the strict professional definition. Lay people use the term to refer to any interference in the election process with intent to manipulate the outcome. Peter wants to limit it to the legal definition.  I can understand where he’s coming from because I do the exact same thing with the term “abortion”.

The term “abortion” differs between lay usage and the actual correct professional definition, in this case the medical profession.  The correct definition is simply the termination of a pregnancy, without reference to how it was terminated.  It could be Mother Nature all by herself.  Lay people call this a miscarriage but the medically correct term is “spontaneous abortion”.

But in common lay usage, abortion means induced abortion, specifically while the baby is still alive, and for the express purpose of deliberately terminating an otherwise viable pregnancy.  This misuse of the word results in all kinds of problems.

Likewise the misuse of the term “fraud” also seems to be causing problems, such as endless bickering on this forum.

I understand what you're saying. However, this entire thread is merely an attempt to MINIMIZE  and DIMINISH the stealing of an election through malevolent and illegal means. It has undermined the very foundation upon which this former country stood.

does it really matter if the unlawful changes are considered fraud?

They are UNLAWFUL.

I believe that there was election fraud, but whether or not it was enough to sway the election I don't know.  However, states violating election law based on their secretaries of state's opinions on "safety during a pandemic" DID affect the election.  Democrat groups took advantage of the slack laws and, perhaps as allowed at the time, flooded the system and gave it to FJB.  That was by far the biggest factor in 2020.

Popular vote is meaningless. Wow. To use that as an indicator of anything is counterproductive and considering many were fraudulent, even more misleading.

That there have been a few elections where the winner of the popular vote did not win the electoral college is used by the left to agitate to get rid of the EC.  To do that would violate the most basic premise of the United States which is exactly that: United States: A bunch of separate states uniting for a purpose; NOT the Empire of The District of Columbia. Each state is sovereign and under limited federal control as outlined in the Constitution and with power to elect federal officers through the EC which is designed to empower the state, not the individual citizens.

Thus we are not a direct democracy. We already partially damaged states’ powers with the 17th which we never should have done.  People need to get over the popular vote.  If you need to understand why, take a look at Texas right now asserting it’s rightful sovereignty by trying to protect her borders while the criminally reckless federal apparatus opposes those efforts. The good of the state must be considered in addition to the good of the individual and that is what the EC endeavors to address. 

If the federal government were elected by popular vote, in other words a direct democracy ignoring state boundaries, then the overwhelming numbers in a few east and west coast cities would always prevail over the needs of all the other states.  Why bother having states then?  We would be back to feudal autocracy with sparsely populated but productive flyover states enslaved to support crowded little patches of land full of decadent elite and lazy underclass neither of which have a clue how to produce food or electricity.

No. Fuck the popular vote.

So the first thing I went to look for was the actual popular vote counts as reported. It seems like Joe Biden won by over 7M votes, or 5.1%. (https://www.cookpolitical.com/2020-national-popular-vote-tracker). So it really isn't a case of an inherent level of statistical uncertainty causing the confusion here. Instead one has to find evidence for some process that would result in over 7M false votes.

We don’t need 7M false votes to fraudulently change the result. Because of the electoral system it was only a few thousand in select counties that did it.  I’m not sure what you’re getting at here.